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The US tourism industry faces a major decline as harsh immigration policies deter visitors.

High-profile detentions of Western travelers have led to a forecasted 9% decrease in visits, reversing a previously expected 5% rise, and risking a $64 billion loss.

Germany and the UK updated travel advisories following detentions of citizens without clear visa violations.

Canadian tourism also dropped significantly amid tariff threats. Denmark and Finland warned transgender travelers about entry issues.

Experts cite anti-immigrant rhetoric and unpredictable enforcement as key deterrents.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I won't be bringing my non-USA citizen family to the USA for a holiday for at least the next 4 years. Even with a perfectly good visa, folks are getting detained. In the past I would spend more than $10k for roughly a month long visit on them (not including airfare to the USA). That money will now go to the EU or Japan.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Just imagine a legal tourist in the US gets their wallet stolen.

Once, when people in the US had rights, he would contact the police, who would help him getting in contact with the embassy.

Where would the tourist end up nowadays? In Gitmo? Or a South American prison?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Initially some American prison then deported to some random country based on what he appeared to be to the racist in command in charge of making this decision

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

*Central American prison.

[–] CileTheSane 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not the "immigration agenda", it's the "illegal captivity and deportations".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nah, couldn't be the illegal imprisonment and torture random citizens and tourists have been experiencing.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Who in their right mind would want to visit to US at this moment? It's a clusterf*ck and even with a visa and a return ticket you could be detained.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sometimes they detain people as they are trying to leave the US.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Man, I was going to go to a wedding there that was super important to me but now I'm SO torn.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

That's a shame! I can understand you're torn about it

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago

None of the researchers in my lab go to conferences in the US anymore (there is remote participation since covid).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why even go visit the US? There's nothing worthwhile to visit. And fatty american food I can get in almost any country

[–] Pyr_Pressure 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Come visit Canada instead (: pretty much the same, but you won't be detained at the border.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

For much of the world getting a Canadian tourist visa is harder than a USA tourist visa.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Look, I've been to the states a good 7 or 8 times and I'm really very fond of the place and the people generally. That includes the, hands down, best summer of my life on a college visa.

I will not be going back there until shit calms down. I just can't gamble on the notion of spending weeks in a cold, overly bright shithole cell on the whim of anyone on the way through just for a holiday when I can spin over to any country in Europe and just get a smile and a "Welcome" from the border security on my way in.

It just wouldn't be a rational choice.

edit: I just want to add in that the EU pumps an enormous amount of money on the Erasmus scheme. If you're not in the know the idea is to get kids in college in one country to do a year of the course in another country in Europe. The only real goal of this is to make people realise that they're just like everyone else in Europe so we never have an internal war again and it is (along with a few other bits) the best money the EU spends IMO.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I will not be going back there until shit calms down.

Don't expect it for a long time. You talk about the Erasmus to teach people they're just like everyone else to prevent an internal war.

Here in the states, I honest to god cannot see how our two sides can come to a peaceful resolution and that terrifies me.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know folks in Georgia, S. Carolina, and N. Carolina who've never been more than a couple hours drive from their birthplace in their entire lives.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Same from Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma...

Yet they think they understand how the world works better than anyone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

Yup, utterly clueless about how 90% of the rest of the world actually lives.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There is no means to a peaceful resolution when one side actively dreams of genociding or enslaving half the other side

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hell, they want to enslave a chunk of their own side. Shouldn't be long until it's illegal to be too poor.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

I feel like there is a /s I missed. It's already illegal to be poor here. Don't have a house/apartment to sleep in? Crime.

Can't pay taxes? Crime.

Wanna stay warm by burning a Tesla? Crime.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Pretty much.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

On Friday there was a meeting at work where everyone insisted that they will not go to the US office anymore.

[–] [email protected] 132 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Good, this gives me a little hope that the rest of the world is starting to understand how awful the US is, and that there just might be a few actual consequences for that awfulness.

[–] [email protected] 99 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Travelling to the USA right now sounds absolutely insane. Like who would even consider it?

You get to the airport. Then you have to unlock your phone and let a random moron sift through its contents.

It’s literally a recipe for disaster/arrest. The cops over there are fucking deranged. Sorry for any good ones. But you’re like the 1%. Police brutality in the USA is shocking to Europeans. I would be scared to be pulled over. Am I getting a ticket or a headshot/arrested for years?

Also I could imagine that if you refuse to unlock the phone, you’ll also be arrested. And by „I could imagine“ I mean 100% sure.

They could plant anything in there or claim they found terroristic messages. No thanks.

The USA are like Russia and Iran now.

And to think that, as a teen, I actually dreamed of moving there. Good lord thanks mom and dad for telling me it’s a fucking stupid idea. I would regret it now.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'm a us citizen living in Japan and I wouldn't consider. Unless someone's dying, I'm staying out. Taking my non-white wife who barely speaks any English is 100% out of the question.

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[–] [email protected] 111 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Do not under any circumstances come to America. We are experiencing a Nazi take over.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Go home and campaign for your leftist party to protect yourselves from the disease.

Somehow, Nazis have returned.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago

Is this what Project 2025 wants to happen? I heard 42% of their goals have already been implemented. Do they think that isolationism and going back to unilateral, strong armed foreign policy will work? And I thought the Nazis were really stupid...oh wait...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

A 9% reduction seems low. I'm curious to know emigration numbers (I'm getting out of here myself)

[–] Bubbaonthebeach 3 points 1 day ago

Most of the trips that have happened in February and March were planned and often paid for before that time and couldn't easily be changed or cancelled so many went ahead. There will be a continuing drop off. Airlines are reassigning their planes because so few Canadians are booking trips to the USA, even as a stopover to anther country. Some border businesses have already lost 50% or more of their business.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

it's only been 2 months

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I really wanted to visit this year to for the first time, but instead I'm going to Canada and I'm really excited!

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[–] johncandy1812 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What about their threats to a G7 ally? Does that contribute to the dropoff too?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

50% of U.S. tourists come from Canada and Mexico.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Not anymore, Canada has its elbows up.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Only 9% decrease? That sounds pretty optimistic.

I’d guess it will be more like 50%. Guess we’ll see.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

People book vacations like that well in advance. So there’s a time delay between the bookings and drop. Yesterday I read an article about Dutch travel agencies seeing far less bookings for US holidays. In january they saw a 20 percent drop, but they didn’t have February figures yet.

So by the end of this year, the tourism decrease will likely be much higher.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The thing that sucks is that the USA is awesome, it had great nature, great cities and good food / people.

The orange dipshit can't take that away.

That said, only visit / give your money to blue states, that's what I'm doing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The one thing that really came home to me traveling in the US was how unbelievably different different parts of it are. If you were an alien or otherwise didn't know where the borders of countries were you would not believe that Florida and DC could possibly belong to the same country they're so completely different in culture.

I honestly think that's part of the problem the US has, they only have two parties and that's nowhere near enough diversity to cover all of the different kinds of cultures the US has. I have to imagine people in North Dakota have completely different priorities to people in California. Yet there's absolutely no political recognition of that.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Not just political but cultural, most of the great planes states were borne as nations during the height of the Cold war (the dust bowl kinda stalled/reset a lot of progress) which seems to have fucked them up weirdly. A lot of Americans can't seem to move past the fiction of a unified culture meaning they can't actually work within the reality of cultural and national differences. The United States isn't a nation it's 50+ nations in a trenchcoat descended from a shit tonne of different cultures and nations.

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