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[–] [email protected] 96 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Here's a better article that isn't as uncritically sensationalist.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/04/de-extinction-company-announces-that-the-dire-wolf-is-back/

tl;dr is that it's basically just a gray wolf with 14 edited genes, most of which are from natural gray wolf populations rather than dire wolf genomes. The result is a gray wolf that's visually similar to a dire wolf, not a dire wolf.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Visually similar to a GoT dire wolf. IIRC, actual Aenocyon Dirus probably didn't have a white coat.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

Yeah I was questioning it myself because dire wolves have a kinda different skull morphology compared to modern wolves. They're also quite a bit larger.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

We gave a wolf diabetes which is pretty dire.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Wild the amount of money spent bring back an extict species instead of trying to protect the ones we already have.

Its like trying to justify ruining the environment and driving species to extinction as no biggie because we can just have a do-over through the power of science.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 6 days ago (2 children)

That's exactly how it's being presented. I'm not necessarily against the research, but there are only a few species we'll be able to do this with. This isn't a back door to undoing damage done. Plus, why do we do it with things that will have to live in captivity, as a wild release would reek havoc on an existing biome. Actually, this is probably true of anything, even seemingly docile ones.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Well to be fair we don’t know what the ecological effects of them would be. They could well be positive. This is a species that many of our living species today coexisted with for millions of years before they went extinct in the recent past. It’s possible (I think likely) that today’s ecosystems are meaningfully impaired by their absence in ways we can’t recognize because we have never studied what the complete ecosystem would look like.

In my mind it would be worthwhile to create a small preserve and study what those interactions look like. We thought gray wolves were harmful to nature for hundreds of years until we actually did the science to find out we were wrong.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

The biological research will certainly be interesting. I wonder about the social aspects of these animals. Dogs are intensely social creatures. Are these direwolves going to behave like the originals? Without being raised by the originals, almost certainly not.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Why not both?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

They are doing that too... FTA:

"Colossal also said it had cloned four red wolves, a critically endangered animal with under two dozen thought to be left in the wild."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

i feel the same way. they made this video, though, which explains how the end product (ie. the pups) required the development of many other technologies that can help endangered species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCK4Sc91aFQ

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

"We spared no expense".

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago (1 children)

"We've taken a gray wolf genome, a gray wolf cell. which is already genetically 99.5% identical to dire wolves because they're very closely related," Shapiro said. "And we've edited those cells at multiple places in its DNA sequence to contain the dire wolf version of the DNA."

My understanding is that that they identified genes associated with 20 key characteristics of direwolves, and edited those genes in the grey wolf genome. I guarantee that there are likely thousands of direwolf genes that they overlooked, so technically they didn't create a direwolf. They created a grey wolf that looks like a direwolf.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

So…the proper correction turned out to be much less dire.

[–] tunetardis 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It sounds like they did some gene editing to select characteristics the dire wolf supposedly had, as opposed to finding an ancient DNA sample somewhere and working from that. So it's more of a genetic simulation than the real deal right?

Like just because you know of some gene that happens to give people pronounced brow ridges doesn't mean you can bring back the Neanderthal. Or am I not understanding this correctly?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

No, that's exactly it. Framing this story as that they're reviving extinct animals is misleading at best

[–] ininewcrow 18 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Great ... a wolf that's twice the size of a normal one .... while we're at, let's put a machine gun on it ... or maybe a lazer.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

this but two lasers or machine guns.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

Leave room for the saddle

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

More to snuggle.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Make them hyper intelligent and give them thumbs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Wait, I've seen this movie! Everyone dies...

Edit: seriously... *dies

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

….does, what? Kung fu fight? Are those kicks fast as lightning?

[–] Kowowow 3 points 6 days ago

or you make them packminds and give them long necks

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Also, don't forget to hit them with a stick periodically so they learn their place. They might develop a deep hatred for humans but that's okay, it's not like they'll revolt and kill us all or anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

No! They’ll hate the sticks, man! Like, it’s the anti-fetch.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

There are lots of people complaining about the ethics... But, but, baby woof!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I honestly thought dire wolves were just a made up fantasy species, like owlbears and eagles.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago

I thought BattleToads were made up, then I saw Marjory Taylor Greene.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 days ago

The kind you're picturing, and the kind they made, are.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

That is a lot of effort put into making a slightly different wolf.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Very interesting, but I would hesitate to call it true de-extinction because there’s no way to know what we don’t know. We don’t know what was in the parts of the DNA we don’t have.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We have the full genome...

[–] dubyakay 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Shapiro’s team had to extract more dire wolf DNA from two existing fossils to better sequence the animal's genome. From there, Colossal elected to use a close relative of the dire wolf as the base.

"We've taken a gray wolf genome, a gray wolf cell. which is already genetically 99.5% identical to dire wolves because they're very closely related," Shapiro said. "And we've edited those cells at multiple places in its DNA sequence to contain the dire wolf version of the DNA."

Looks like they... almost had it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

They just spliced in frog DNA to fill some of the gaps.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

Damn it No I've had enough winter already

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago
[–] Kowowow 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I just want to try dodo meat

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Probably tastes like chicken...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago

I saw a report that said they'd have Wooly Mammoths by 2028. I'd go to the zoo to see a Wooly Mammoth.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

“I think that the best definition of a species is if it looks like that species, if it is acting like that species, if it's filling the role of that species then you've done it," she said.

How does she know what a dire wolf looked like and acted like though? They went extinct 10,000 years ago! I hate this quite frankly . Unethical, wasteful, and they’re not even dire wolves!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it’s interesting and worthwhile research but I agree with you that they’re overhyping this and it leaves a lot to be desired. To make real dire wolves at minimum we would need much more complete DNA, and maybe more beyond that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago (4 children)

This was unethical research though. They basically tweaked a few things in a wolf without regard to quality of life.

And the changes are so superficial that it reminds me of a gimmick to raise more money; I actually looked for references to crypto and block chain, in case they went there too.

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[–] Rentlar 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's really interesting. Would be useful for research of life in early human or pre-human times.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

it also helped develop new tech to help our currently endangered species:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCK4Sc91aFQ

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I can't wait to be disemboweled by a velociraptor. What a time to be alive!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

*guts spilling out on to your arms as you try catch them from spilling out on to the floor. your last works being 'fu..king... rad."

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