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Sweet mother of god, someone muzzle the attack poodle. I really want to hear everything everyone has to say tonight, but SkiPPy is working his ass off to make me turn off the radio. Everyone's losing continuity and intelligibility with the amount he's talking over and interrupting.
The Manning Centre trained him well.
Take a shot everytime PP says “lost liberal decade” 🍻
Challenge accepitebbted
Interesting take. I feel like PP's handlers more or less got the muzzle on ok, tbh. I thought he was more reserved than I expected him to be, even though he spent most of his talking time just trying to bash the Liberals.
I've got to say, I'm an NDP supporter, but if anything, I thought it was Singh who did the most talking over others, and for the most part it didn't do him too many favours, even though I do agree with the points he was trying to make.
I wish he would've saved those tactics for the most poignant moments only.
IMO Carney was the clear loser who failed to address allegations about his personal ties to industries he intends to bolster.
As to Singh, asides from talking over others too much, I thought his criticisms were largely on point.
I had to shut it off after 10 minutes because of this, I could feel my blood pressure going up.
How everyone in Parliament doesn't have an aneurysm from having to deal with him is beyond me. Just 3 minutes of his blatant bullshit gives me an ice cream headache.
Highlight of the debate imo: Skippy says I'm "living in terror" here in Toronto, because of car theft.
Absolutely no one connects the fact that Poilievre is a remnant of the Harper era government
Anyone voting conservative this time around is asking more of what Harper gave everyone 20 years ago.
A repeat of the right wing lego man Harper politics that drove everything into the ground and that Canada has been recovering from ever since.
His failings under Harper's government were briefly mentioned.
The messaging is always limited and downplayed .... no one wants to talk about things that far back and no one ever wants to nail the conservatives on that point.
I'm in Ontario and when I talk to conservatives about the NDP .... they will happily regurgitate how the NDP ruined the province ... over 30 years ago! over and over again just keep repeating crap like 'Rae Days' ... but then everyone tunes themselves out when you ask them about Harper and Harpers adopted poster boy Poilievre
I was a bit too young to be very involved in politics then so I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but it's funny, because behind closed doors, I've had several people tell me that Rae's policies were unpopular precisely because they were the ones we needed.
One of my good friend's dad worked for the Province and said the exact same thing.
He was saying it was a very difficult position to be in and Rae days actually solved the problem the Province was trying to solve.
Yeah, I've got comments mirroring that, Harper should be to the Tories what Bob Rae is to the ONDP. Probably sticks out to me because I was just old enough to start voting during those years, that wasn't that long ago though, like I know memories are short in politics but I'd not be running with a Harper cabinet minister if I were them.
The debate organizers failed Canadians with this half-baked format.
Zero fact checking. Zero effort to stop people talking over each other. Zero allowance for Carney to response to the unceasing bald face lies hurled by all three others.
Just a complete and utter waste of time. No one wants this garbage, this is why so many Canadians don’t bother to tune in. In no way would anyone seeing this be better informed than when they went in.
I listened to the French one yesterday. Poilièvre is all about looks but has no substance. Carney definitely represented the same old political shit. Jagmeet's heart is in the right place and has the right ideas but fails at communicating them. And Blanchet, brought forward some really interesting points about the provinces' jurisdictions and competencies and how the federal government tries a little to hard to control provinces and how dangerous that could be for Québec and its values and culture.
Yeah, that tracks for Canadian politics as a whole.
Conservatives and Liberals haven't really changed their tune and are both running essentially the same platforms they were in the mid-2000s. The NDP is headed by someone who got into politics to really try and change things for the better, and get outplayed every time by the establishment. And the Bloc really only cares about the culture of Quebec, which makes them a non-candidate for anyone far away from Quebec
which makes them a non-candidate for anyone far away from Quebec
I mean they literally don't run outside of Quebec so that's probably a non-issue.
I actually agree about the provinces jurisdiction a lot. There's no reason we have all of our non-Quebec provinces playing the game of blaming the federal government for all of their problems, and frankly it's disgusting.
There's stuff like negotating drug prices as a nation that makes sense, but does daycare? That actually seems like it has reverse bargaining power. I want those things, but I agree with Blanchet.
I found this debate more frustrating than illuminating.
Blatant lies like the 6 house thing had no consequences. Pollievre got to talk over people with zero consequence. Then Singh started doing the same. I don't like that the candidates all get different questions at all.
For how crappy the Ontario debates could be, I wish they had the rule that mentioning a candidate allowed them to respond, because everyone was all anti-Carney the whole time.
He doesn’t even have looks. The CP paid for his lasik and teeth whitening and he wears shoe lifts. He’s a douche.
God, who cares. This is a political debate, not a beauty pageant. The fact is his policy sucks, and that's what matters.