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Secret Trump Memo Tells ICE to Break into Homes Without Warrants (www.thedailybeast.com)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

This type of abuse is old as the hills. The rights enumerated in the constitution only apply to citizens. Look at how wiretapping is done among the "Five Eyes". The USA just has allies do the snooping on its own citizens, conveniently dancing around the same constitutional protections. It's unclear if even under the most charitable reading of the constitution if this should apply to an unlawful foreign resident of another country.

Cruel and unfair, definitely. Much like the electoral college, everyone likes to complain about it while not doing too much. If you find the above distasteful, then it should be made clear in US case law that aliens are eligible for constitutional protections. Until then, Trump and co. will gladly keep doing what they are doing, because they don't care about "being fair".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

I mean they already are. They've been doing this since March.

The only reason we know is because one of the many employees within ICE who have been leaking information to the press in the hopes we would pressure congress to do their jobs, also leaked this.

If you know anyone in the conservative camp that's still blissfully unaware/not pissed yet, loop them in. Their voices are the most important when it comes to giving Congress one last try while they're still collecting paychecks paid for by our tax dollars.

If it comes down to us fighting we will have to join together anyway if we stand any chance. The next civil war will not be left vs right, it will be Americans refusing to follow orders vs. corporate billionaires controlling both public and private military (Blackwater, Palantir, etc.).

[–] [email protected] 25 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

it was supposed to be a secret?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Let's face it, tRUMP is such a narcissistic fool that the only real shocking thing about all this is that he didn't rage-tweet about it in the middle of the night whilst sitting on the toilet in-between faxing top secret documents to Russia and the Saudis.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Faxing top secret documents to Russia and the Saudis is what he was doing during Biden's term. Now, he probably just gave daddy Putin his username and password

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

DOGE accounts keeps getting accessed from Russia, so...

[–] [email protected] 29 points 10 hours ago

Welcome to the New United States of America, where the Contitution is no longer valid where contradicting King Trump.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Leela: You'll never pardon anybody because you'll never get elected president. The voters of Earth aren't the pea-brained idiots they were back in your time.

Nixon: Oh, no? Well, listen here, missy. Computers may be twice as fast as they were in 1973 but your average voter is as drunk and stupid as ever. The only one who's changed is me. I've become bitter and, let's face it, crazy over the years. And once I'm swept into office, I'll sell our children's organs to zoos for meat and I'll go into people's houses at night and wreck up the place.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 hours ago

Yet nixons head still seems less insane then trump

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

I think about this quote daily as I read the news.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

There was a traffic stop a month or so ago where the city police were called by BP for assistance and they actually assisted them in kidnapping people. The mayor is pissed and says that can't happen due to our sanctuary city status (since 1986) and now the federal government is suing us. We have a HUGE population of immigrants from all over the world here as refugees and to attend our two universities and this is going to get ugly.

The head of C&BP is coming to my city this week because of all this. Something tells me ICE is going to be crawling all over this city the whole week and longer. BP already crawls all over the city because we're on the northern border.

I live in a HUD building. I see ICE searches without warning in my near future because of how many immigrants are here. My cane might be useful for more than just balancing me while walking.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

The time is now for sword cane.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago

Record. Obstruct. Defend.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Do not bring a knife to a gun fight.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago

It’s a modern world, we use umbrella guns now.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

If they break in my house I'm gonna start blasting as if they were criminals (which they are). I don't play these games with normal people and I'm sure as shit not gonna play them with the plain clothes Trump gestapo. If anyone has seen Daredevil born again with the Fisk anti vigilante taskforce thats what we're getting but irl.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I'm a fairly pacifist type, but I have a .30-06 rifle and a 9mm pistol loaded and by my bedside now. I'd like to get a shotgun though...but there are new rules where I am so it's going to take some time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Though it’s made by Israel, IWI makes a self defense shotgun that is California legal and holds 15 rounds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Holy crap.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I'm from the Midwest so owning a pump action is basically mandatory. If you get one get some buckshot and slugs. Birdshot might be cheaper but it's far too weak to actually do anything in a home invasion situation. If its armed ice agents busting down your door illegally I'd recommend steel slugs to combat their plates but they're almost impossible to get since 2018. You won't break through their armor with a normal slug but it sure as shit won't feel nice and that might be enough to deter them depending on their goal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Birdshot is perfectly acceptable in a home defense situation given the short ranges. It does have a lower lethality but unobstructed head and chest shots will most likely be fatal and will incapacitate.

An advantage to bird shot is that two layers of drywall may slow it down enough to prevent lethal injuries to bystanders such as family members in other rooms.

A disadvantage is that it will likely be stopped by body armor where buckshot packs enough punch that it can cause severe injury even if it doesn't penetrate.

I don't have ready sources for this, just general informed opinion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 minutes ago

Maybe against an average person. But we're talking about armed I've agents who likely have armor. Also most people (me included) are trained to shoot center mass. If you're getting shot at you're not aiming for weak areas. You're aiming for whatever is the easiest to hit.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Now I don't do guns personally, so forgive me if I'm wrong. But wouldn't buckshot also be finding soft tissue not covered by armor?

Semi related, I need to take self defense courses back up 🫡

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago

Depends on how close you are. Most shotguns have basically zero spread in close quarters unless you modify the barrel to an illegal degree. That's why I recommend slugs. You're not gonna get enough spread anyway so might as well hit em with something that's gonna hurt a lot more.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

So to answer your question, not really. The spread of shotguns is greatly exaggerated in media and in a close quarters situation will probably be not existent unless you are using really specific shit. The real threat especially with 12 gauge is that it is more than powerful enough to take limbs off, turn organs into soup, and if you get hit in the head ya ain't living.

This is actually why sawed offs are so dangerous they do infact increase the spread and when used in close quarters yeah... ya have a good chance of survival but I hope ya like hospital food.

Also yes I know shotguns are rarely that devastating but I ain't over exaggerating by much either, if it's good for home defense, Iwo Jimma, and the trenches of Verdun I suspect it's a rather effective weapon to say the least.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Also yes I know shotguns are rarely that devastating but I ain't over exaggerating by much either

Yeah not by much at all.

Hitting a person with a single 12ga shell of 00 buckshot is kind of like completely mag dumping a 9mm handgun at them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Thank you for the info!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

No problem. Stay safe out there.

[–] [email protected] 147 points 17 hours ago (9 children)

This is the actual reason why there is a 2nd amendment

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If you thought overmilitarization of local police was bad, just wait until ICE gets tanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 33 minutes ago

Yes, I understand that the 2nd amendment alone can't stop a dictator if they have the army on their side... even though that was at least partly the intention when it was written

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[–] [email protected] 182 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

So Trump is telling ICE to break the law? It looks like Trump is guilty of another crime.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Who's gonna fuckin stop em??

They just arrested a judge. The only people who've been able to slow this roll.

What do you think happens next...?

The entire Armed Forces and Judicial Branch of the Executive is cronies from the Cabinet and AG down. If they feel like it they'll mobilize militias to do their work for them.

Citizen cops. Watch out. You may not hate cops now, but you'll understand what's been wrong with the whole system real soon. "Good cops" will be placeholders for men favorable to the regime. They will be corrupted.

Bribes will become commonplace in day-to-day business. This will often feel counterproductive. That's because it is.

Odds are this will play out quietly. Unless the Military does a surprise one, the Democrats aren't putting forward anything capable of challenging the regime. Sorry AOC and Bernie, I love you but Coachella ain't gonna cut it.

Build federated networks in your own life. The model applies. Organize horizontally not vertically/hierarchically. Find people making choices and doing things and help them.

Added predictions: the US invades Panama (again). Ukraine drags out. Recession settles in, staved off by markets hungry for short-term gains looted from Latin America, Ukraine, probably both. Probably around September a major bubble pops in the US stock market no matter what the tariff situation ends up being. Things get worse. Edit: Panama invasion may come as a result of this

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 15 hours ago (19 children)

So if they break into my home, I can shoot ‘em, right?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Ethically, yes. Legally, they'll just kill you.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, if the alternative is getting shipped to a torture prison in El Salvador with no due process? Not saying it's a good alternative, but it is an alternative.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

One of these options gives a person -and possibly their families- a chance to get away. The other option sends them to Salvadorian prison.

I'm not American but I know which option I would take.

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