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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not Canadian, Thank you Canada, there is hope after all.

[–] MyBrainHurts 1 points 1 hour ago

There's hope but this was too close. The Conservatives upped their numbers as did the Liberals. It was only the progressive/reasonable vote banding together that saved the day.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they've basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.

Feels like I'm watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.

[–] LostWon 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

That's not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn't possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump's plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.

[–] tempest 3 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn't Poilievre I'm sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again.

Rather than settling for the investment banker, they could all rally around a candidate that's interested in social good.

The Left doesn't have to split.

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[–] sik0fewl 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Not if we have ranked choice voting with proportional representation.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 hours ago
[–] Tigeroovy 11 points 6 hours ago

Thoroughly hilarious. Go away Chode boy, nobody likes you!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

If Canada had Australian-style preferential voting (i.e. you numbered your candidates in order of preference, and if your first choice got eliminated, your vote cascaded to your second, and so on until it was tallied for your least-disliked of the two leading candidates), the Liberals would have a significantly more comfortable margin (assuming that they got most of the Greens’ preferences and at least half of the NDP)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn't have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.

I strongly support mandatory voting. If you're against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I'm no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn't be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo 20 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I'm still quite bitter about it

[–] tempest 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You will never get it top down. The major parties all prefer and benefit from different systems.

If you truely care about electoral reform your best bet is bottom up. Start getting your preferred form into municipal elections. We almost had that in Ontario until Doug showed up and fucked us.

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Actually, I live in the first municipality in Canada to use ranked choice voting-- until the provincial government enacted a bill that disallowed it in 2020.

I've also been around long enough to have voted in the last Ontario referendum on the topic. It did not go well because people didn't understand what was being proposed. Same story for BC's referendum.

I'm merely pointing out the recurring theme over the last couple of decades where the LPC will make electoral reform promises they never fulfill.

[–] tempest 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Same regarding the last referendum. When that happened I knew for sure it had to be introduced in a smaller lower stakes way which is why I was pretty happy when London used ranked choice (a bright spot for a city whose politicians suck more often than not). Removing that is one of the things I hate most about Doug.

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo 1 points 2 hours ago

Oh my God you are so right about London politicians.

Remember those useless board of control parasites clinging to their pointless jobs? Or the Liberal legend Joe Fontana?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Well I'm sure they'll change the status quo that favors them this time.

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo 1 points 3 hours ago

Not holding my breath

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago

FUCK OFF BACK HOME PIERRE HAHAHAHAHAHA 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[–] TheFeatureCreature 39 points 10 hours ago (9 children)

A very important thing to remember this election: The Conservatives had a 30-point lead and were set to gain over 200 seats in a sweeping majority victory and they blew it. They blew it and their leader lost his own seat. The fact we even have a Liberal minority at all is incredible.

So while the Conservative party still has a lot of seats, enough Canadians disliked PP and his campaign enough to erode a 30 point lead. PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can't even get elected in his own riding.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Happy that the Trump presidency could at least contribute one positive outcome.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Trump won the election for the liberals more than anyone else.

[–] villasv 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Nah, the Liberals deserve the bigger credit. I don't necessarily think they could have won without Trump shitting the fan for Conservatives but their actions created the necessary conditions for the win: 1) Drop Trudeau; 2) Don't pick Freeland, pick a white middle age man from the finance industry; 3) Get rid of the consumer carbon pricing; 4) Focus on the economy instead of progressive values. Without any of these, it would have been a CPC win even with Poilievre wearing a MAGA hat.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

pick a white middle age man from the finance industry

"We won! What did we win? ... fuck, shit."

Focus on the economy instead of progressive values

What happens when the black hole of an American recession sucks Canada down along with it in another few years?

American liberals played the same game in 2020. They got four years of Biden. Everyone hated it. And then they sent Trump back up into office like '17-'21 never happened.

[–] villasv 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

American liberals played the same game in 2020. They got four years of Biden. Everyone hated it. And then they sent Trump back up into office like '17-'21 never happened.

Carney has a few advantages over Biden: he is actually liked by true Liberals (so far), he's not senile and landed the job just because he had decades in the party (on the contrary, he has that outsider business-man status that the middle class loves), and he has a nationalist movement timed nicely for him.

That said, it's still true that...

What happens when the black hole of an American recession sucks Canada down along with it in another few years?

if this tariff bullshit intensifies, Canada will face a recession under Carney and the country will turn to a conservative government - one that will open the doors for American imperialism, bails out corporations, and cuts services that would save lives of the people that will end up in the streets after losing their jobs. I find it very unlikely that this minority liberal government would survive a significant economic downturn, regardless of who would be in charge of it.

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[–] villasv 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can’t even get elected in his own riding.

You're not thinking like a Conservative MP. Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership. We're now closer to a two party system, and Conservatives benefit from this tremendously. CPC ate the PPC. I'm 100% sure that they're chucking this loss to bad luck with Trump timing, they had to reinvent themselves in 3 months. With 2 years of planning (and bootlicking down south), they'll be better prepared and Poilievre is their winning strategy. In this cycle, the CPC successfully FPTP'ed the NDP and the Greens out of existence. They're well positioned to a minority govt with Bloc in a few years.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Yess PP lost the run for PM and humiliatingly lost his riding, but overall the party grew in influence and in number of seats tremendously under his leadership.

I agree the Conservatives have grown in influence but I don't believe it was because of Poilievre. It doesn't matter who leads the conservative party, the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons, he dropped the ball hard, and probably still would have won if it wasn't for Trump slapping Canada in the face and waking a bunch of us up. Any influence gained was because it was "their turn", not Poilievre's leadership.

The question is, did the Conservatives come close to winning because of Poilievre, or did they lose a sure thing because of him? Based on what things looked like 6 months ago, I'd say the latter.

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo 1 points 3 hours ago

Yeah, I don't think people wanted Poilievre specifically. They just wanted change.

[–] villasv 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

the Canadian pendulum was due to swing back to the Cons

Sure, for the opposition leader it's a matter of adding or removing momentum to the pendulum swing. He definitely added a lot of momentum, to the point that the Liberals had to throw the PM and its climate policy under the bus to get one more term. That's a hell of an effective opposition leader.

Any influence gained was because it was “their turn”, not Poilievre’s leadership.

I'm not saying that he's a genius or anything, but making good use of your "turn" is not an easy task. He has demonstrated that he's good at it, to the point of landslide victory projections 6 months ago.

would have won if it wasn’t for Trump slapping Canada in the face

And that's exactly why it's going to be easy to brush off his loss. Sure, he'll face criticism on his failure to pivot the party messaging post-Trudeau, but that was a nearly impossible situation. Would any other CPC MP have done a better job of riling up the conservatives against the Liberals without in the end get blindsided by anti-republican sentiments? Jamil Jivani? I don't see any reason to believe the CPC will have a better shot with someone else.

If they do end up booting Poilievre out of the leader seat, it will be because the CPC is a bucket of selfish snakes and lizards vying for power. It is possible. Surely someone is salivating at this opportunity. I just find it unlikely, because the vast majority of MPs are satisfied with his work and will simply bide their time, they'll be better prepared in two years.

[–] tempest 1 points 2 hours ago

I disagree that he is effective in anything other than being not Trudeau and being a contrarian in the American conservative mold. If he was at all a good politician he would not have fumbled this election the way he did. The liberals made some good plays but if PP had spent one minute reading the room instead of playing party over country he might have been PM.

If he manages to hang around until the next one he will probably get in when the left splits again but it won't be because he's good at his job it will be because he has a pulse and a name on the ballot under conservative.

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[–] humanspiral 8 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

PP gone forever? Or is CPC somehow going to give him another seat so he can stay leader?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They can’t give him someone else’s seat. They can ask someone else to resign their seat and he can run in a byelection for that seat but the prime minister (Carney) can wait up to 6 months before calling the byelection, which itself can have a campaign period of up to 50 days.

So if Carney wants to, he can keep PP out of office until at least next year.

The other cool thing is that PP is no longer eligible to occupy Stornoway House, the residence of the leader of the official opposition, since PP no longer has a seat. This means he has to move out and he loses access to the $200k year budget for household staff. So he’ll have to get out there and look for housing like the rest of us plebs (though he can easily afford it).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Whoever the conservatives choose as parliamentary leader can defer it to him according to CBC, so he shouldn't have to move out.

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo 2 points 3 hours ago

I wish he'd try working a real job for once in his life.

But realistically, if he we're going to step down willingly it would have occurred last night. We'll see if the party sacrifices another MP to let him stay on. Fucking guy.

[–] villasv 3 points 5 hours ago

The latter. This ghoul is not going away.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, that's where the drama will unfold next. Will there be a civil war, and how many factions will be involved?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Split the right like the left? Sorry, I can only get so erect

[–] ibelieveinthehousehippo 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Are you young?

The whole saga of how the modern CPC came to fruition was such a back stabby shitshow

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

It got closer overnight.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Hopefully this will signal to the Conservatives that Canadians don't have any use for a demagogue who attributes the world's ills to "wokeness," but I'm not holding my breath.

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