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We dont need to give up anything we just need change. Regulations are what keeps capitalism from killing us all and this planet. We have allowed deregulation to put us in this spot and its going to get worst.
The landlords.
There are a lot of them so it would be exhausting work to behead them all myself but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make
Every last person working to make it a worse world.
Private property isn't a sacrifice. I don't own any.
There's a difference between personal property and private property. Private property is a mall, is a factory, is machinery at your workplace. Personal property is your toothbrush, your Playstation, your Television, your blender, your set of German knives, your computer, your books, etc.
Freedom of speech has never existed. The illusion of it has been allowed to be stronger or weaker in various places at various times, if your speech is no threat it's often allowed, it's when it's a threat that suddenly the freedom vanishes and hides behind excuses like national security or illegal ideologies, etc.
I question how you would get rid of freedom of thought without some sort of hellish brain implants being made mandatory so it's an odd thing to mention.
I'd be willing to sacrifice an awful lot of fascists, reactionaries, and an awful lot of enabling liberals. I'd be willing to sacrifice bourgeoisie. The expropriation of their private property is not a sacrifice but a necessity for things being held in common trust for the people.
Out of the ones you listed, freedom to breed
Provided they don't touch freedom to not breed, and we don't put racist ducks in charge, I think that works be the easiest for me to bear.
But I don't want kids, so it's not much of a sacrifice.
For me that would depend on whether it's just my personal freedom to do so or all of humanity's. I didn't come to the hypothetical thought experiment question thread to not kill 8 billion fucking people.
Those are all things that can make a better society. Why do they need to be given up?
A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing freedoms.
I don't know if you've noticed, but a lot of the trouble in the US was caused by people using their freedom to do terrible things to people, and to set the stage for more of the same.
America is not nearly as free as it claims to be.
No, it isn't.
What does that have to do with my claim?
We’re talking about a better world and giving up freedoms. Americans have given up a bunch of freedoms and have gotten a worse world because of it.
The one does not flow directly from the other. A better world requires some protecting from each other, which means giving up some freedoms. A system of complete and total freedom would not be good for most people.
However, as Franken said, it is important not to give up essential freedoms. What freedoms, exactly, count as "essential" ones? Hard to say. We should have a thread to discuss it.
Yes, the freedom to murder people would not be good for most people, but you are taking away others’ freedoms when you do that. But, this thread is about private property, speech, starting a family, and thought. Maybe I should have been more specific in my original comment. A better world wouldn’t require sacrificing these freedoms. It would require giving up the freedom to take others’ freedoms away.
Any freedom that means you have control over your own body and thoughts, I would consider an “essential” freedom, and those are the ones that I mean when I say a better world wouldn’t require giving up those freedoms. If you’re giving up your right to control your own body, you’re inviting a worse world.
On this, I think we can agree.
Some billionaires
Private property. Remove that and many problems will solve themselves real quick, though that will also cause a large number of human deaths before things stabilize
I'd sacrifice social media algorithms. Delete them all.
Also ban advertisements
A sacrifice is something you like and want to keep, but you're going to give it up for a higher good.
No, not "algorithms" are the problem, but the capitalist who own social media and the algorithms on these.
Nice try conservative policy maker!
How much better of a world? I'd be happy with half of what I have if it meant literally everyone else in the world could have that much, certainly. Move 4 more people into the house and give up half the money, half the clothes, my car, of course I would do that if it brought the same level of wealth to every single person, it would be not great at first but wow can you imagine how fast it would get better, if nobody was terribly poor? I'd bet that by the time I was old we'd personally be better off than before the split.
The trump family grifters and all their sycophantic (lookin' at you Lindsay Graham) enablers
my chains. i've nothing else to lose.
And then it got worse
A better world would imply that its better even when considering the sacrifice, meaning that any sacrifice would be worth it
I mean, in an overall sense yes, but that's like saying climbing Everest is easy because on average the world has very little elevation change.
It's hard to imagine a world with no freedom of thought being better, somehow.
In practice, I doubt we'll ever have to sacrifice much more than we already have. (Which is actually a significant amount. For example, until recent history living on a schedule was for ascetics and flagellants)
I would don the black hood and swing the ax
Tis messy work, but it's gotta be done
Burger King's Chicken fries
If you're not free, the world isn't free.
Private property. I don't actually want to own things for the sake of owning things, I want a stable and reasonably comfortable life. In the current system, the only way to reliably achieve that is to own the things you need in your life. But if the system were such that you could live a decent life without owning a thing, I'll take that.
And that is with the interpretation of private property as literally any possession you can own. If we go by the socialist interpretation of private property as property used to generate capital, I already have no private property and neither do most people here.
This one.
Freedom to Breed. Easy for me, because I don't plan on having kids ever and I don't really think it is a good idea to be having kids if you're unable to sustain them much less, yourself.
If a better world means we have to limit the amount of people we bring in here until everything chills the fuck out, so be it. There is absolutely no reason or benefit to bring in 3 - 12 kids at a given.
Freedom to Breed may not necessarily mean that you may not have any kids. It might also mean that $amount of kids is mandatory, though...
Sometimes I sit down and muse about the great world we could create if everything was owned by the state, only approved speech was allowed, if only the best people were allowed to reproduce and everyone was only allowed to think approved thoughts. Like to get my Utopia I am even willing to subject an innocent child to a life of constant suffering and misery...
I don't think a better world would include sacrificing those freedoms actually. That's some tankie shit.
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