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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The only condition under which I wouid ever consider getting a neural implant, is if the implant and its software is open source.

Any closed source thing you stick in your brain will ultimately doom you.

Besides that, there'd also actually have to be a purpose. As it stands now, cybernetics isn't advanced enough to turn me into a full cyborg, so probably never in my lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's expected that the average person will be jumping at the opportunity to tinker with their neurons. The first line of people to get such implants will almost certainly be people with physical disabilities.

Regarding closed source ultimately being a net negative to your well being, I think you're absolutely right. Unfortunately with as niche as a product like this will be for some time, I worry any corporation willing to put forward the funding isn't going to be willing to open it up to such a degree.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

All these brain chips will primarily, initially, be for crippled people. Maybe a controller chip to control prosthetic arms, or something to let a paraplegic person control a computer.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So, to all the people freaking out and saying this is as bad as Musk and Neuralink:

https://starfishneuroscience.com/blog/ultra-low-power-miniature-electrophysiological-electronics/?header-bg=card-bg0

There is here zero mention of things like 'being able to take a phone call' or 'bluetooth your brain directly into a keyboard or mouse or other people's brains' as Musk was saying.

This seems very much intended to be aimed at legitimate medical conditions.

They didn't steal the PhD work of an actual pioneer in the development of medical brain implants via poaching a number of grad students who worked with him (which is what happened with Neuralink, btw), they are instead partnering with basically a nonprofit cooperative of the world's foremost experts on nanoelectronics development, who have an established track record of developing various medical devices.

...

If news comes out about GabeN electrocuting monkeys and pigs to either death, or insanity/brain damage so extreme it causes them to kill themselves to escape the pain (again, this literally happened at Neuralink), then I will absolutely do a 180 heel pivot and condemn the fuck out of that.

Just to be clear here, a BCI is probably the very last thing I would ever be an early adopter of as some kind of commercial, general use product. Seems absolutely insane given the rampant cybersecurity problems just basically everywhere all the time, not to mention I just don't like the idea of an actual chip in my actual brain, permanent holes in my skull.

Valve and GabeN are not some paragons of virtue, they basically invented (and still widely use and encourage) half of the monetization and dark pattern bullshit that is now everywhere in the entire games industry.

... But to me at least, this seems nowhere near as openly, comically, real world supervillain levels of evil as Elon and Neuralink.

[–] [email protected] 130 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Suddenly this makes way more sense

[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 days ago

I can hear this picture

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

HL3 is going to be launched with Valve's brain chip.

They don't even have to make the game. The chip will convince you that you have already played the game and it's the best game ever.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (13 children)

The fact that most people would obviously never want to get a brain chip implant, combined with the fact that multiple billionaires are developing brain chip implants, indicates that there are plans in some circles to incentivize or coerce people into getting a brain chip implant at some point in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 184 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Will we also get a control valve back on our heads?

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

I think we all know where this is going.

  1. The Brainchip is trendy in Silicon Valley but doesn’t do much yet. The company says cyber-superintelligence will be available in a year, tops. Investors are pouring billions into it. Everyone says you need to hop on the trend now or you’ll be obsolete in six months.
  2. It’s been two years. The Brainchip still struggles to control a mouse or search Google. Everyone’s lost interest in building apps for it. Many users are reporting severe migraines, but the company says there’s nothing to worry about.
  3. The Brainchip pipes three unskippable ads directly to your optic nerve every time you go to the bathroom. Notifications ping your brain all day long. You can get it removed if you’ve got $80k to burn, but there’s a high risk of postoperative stroke.

Yeah, no, I’m not putting anything in my brain that isn’t open-source from end to end. And even then probably nah.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

the only way, and I mean the ONLY way I'll put hardware in my brain is if I have resurrection level support like in Altered Carbon.

the fear of losing my outward identity over the ability to live forever is worth losing.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Finally, Half-Life 3

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The picture in the post is unhinged

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's fairly on brand for Valve, one of their banners was a guy with pipe valve stuck to his head.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Headlines you didn't expect to read. Rather a Gabe chip than at Musk chip for sure

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 days ago (5 children)

how about both of them fuck off and stop shoving their proprietary tech in our heads, just a thought

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Valve did contribute quite a bit to OSS iirc

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

oh sorry just open up my asshole then

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago

"Now, if you're part of Control Group Kepler-Seven, we implanted a tiny microchip about the size of a postcard into your skull. Most likely you've forgotten it's even there, but if it starts vibrating and beeping during this next test, let us know, because that means it's about to hit five hundred degrees, so we're gonna need to go ahead and get that out of you pretty fast." - Cave Johnson

[–] [email protected] 133 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I know the internet lives the guy but no. Just no.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (17 children)

Some people are starting to wake up to the fact that the guy is just another libertarian billionaire, he just happens to be in charge of a company that made a product people love enough to give them monopolistic powers.

Edit: these people aren't in this thread

Edit 2: first edit was from when the votes on that comment were at -8, happy to see that for once one of my comments on this subject ends up in the positives

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[–] theacharnian 11 points 3 days ago

A culture that obsoletes electronics every couple of years and enshittifies services every couple of other years cannot be seriously talking about MMIs/BCIs.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

had pass on all this bullshit.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 4 days ago (2 children)

He’ll only be able to make the first prototype, and then a second. He will never make it to 3.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 5 days ago (5 children)

TIL Valve is into brain chips.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The Valve Deckard was a little more ambitious than had been originally anticipated.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 4 days ago

"Alright, the implantation surgery was a success, now all we have to do is fire up the remote activation. Throwing the switch in three... two...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Last time I checked, the "brain implants" from Valve looked like this:

Zombie from Half Life with a headcrab slipped over its head

[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 days ago (18 children)

Not advocating for our against but 2 thoughts here:

1: Gabe isn't Musk. Yes money etc but don't immediately jump there without other malfeasance please. Caution absolutely but don't ascribe one rich assholes shit to another.

2: He probably has hard data on accessibility... Possibly more than nearly anyone else. There's a HUGE portion of the population that can't use "traditional" controllers or other input devices. And that's not even going into the medical realm.

Could game Gabe be starting his villain phase? Sure! But until more negative details come out I'm just hoping this is investments he'd use toward a new steam controller.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, if we were putting billionaires against the wall, GabeN would probably be near the end of the line.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 5 days ago (25 children)

Might be a bit of an unpopular opinion, but I don't really see a problem with brain implants. I wouldn't put anything in my brain in a thousand years, but if someone's willing to accept the risks, why not? They have the potential to significantly improve quality of life for many people.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 4 days ago (7 children)

It's exactly like AI. Could the technology be useful were it to be used in service of goals that would serve humanity? Absolutely. Will it be used by billionaires in a way that will be harmful to most people in order to further entrench their power? Most definitely.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Karen Sandler did a great talk on closed source software medical devices many years ago.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qW1h1s_ojpM

This even more the case if it's your brain! It probably won't work for decades, but we should get house in order long before it does.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 5 days ago (3 children)

How the hell is this not the Onion?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Oh no. You either die the hero, or...

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They should make a big facility to test the implants

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Maybe have an AI overseer, they could name it Gladys

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Billionaires should not exist

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago

Finally the logo makes sense

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

I didn't know they were doing brainchips. I trust Gabe with it way more than fElon, for sure.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (4 children)

"As part of your onboarding process, we're just going to implant your Company ID. That way, for your safety, we'll always know where you are. If you hear a buzzing sound, that means return to the office immediately. Reduced work speed will produce a mild reminder shock.

"Welcome to the Corporation."

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago

Yeah no thanks

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