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Ontario baby dies after being born prematurely with measles, other complications | Globalnews.ca (globalnews.ca)
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[–] otter 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm sharing this because of this context:

Doctors urge vaccination following death of Ontario infant infected with measles in the womb

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/pregnancy-measles-1.7553851

However, when talking about this story, please also note the last line from this blurb. There is indeed a risk, and in this case there were other complications as well:

A premature infant who contracted measles before birth has died in southwestern Ontario, the province’s chief medical officer of health says,

According to Dr. Kieran Moore, the infant’s mother was not vaccinated against measles.

In a statement Thursday, he said while measles may have contributed to both the premature birth and death, the infant also faced other serious medical complications unrelated to the virus.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

The other condition is being premature

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah thats what you get for not vaccinating lmao boohoo

[–] jerkface 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Don't be a complete monster where strangers have to see it. Keep this shit to your fellow sociopathic homies.

[–] dom 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I would argue the sociopaths are the ones who knowingly put their and a bunch of other people's live at risk. Hard to have sympathy.

[–] jerkface 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

One thing has nothing to do with the other. A fucking infant died and he's fucking crowing about it. Oh but I guess that infant was a fucking antivaxxer??? What the actual fuck are you saying here?

[–] dom 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The clear implication is no sympathy for the parents.

Of course no one wanted the infant to die and people have sympathy for that.

[–] jerkface 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

No sympathy for parents whose ignorance got their own child killed? None? I mean, that's a way to go about life, but IMHO it's a pretty fucked up one.

It doesn't directly affect the parents whether randos have or withhold sympathy for them. That's a choice that we make about what kind of people we want to be and how we relate to the world. "lmao boohoo" is not an appropriate, sane response when a fucking infant dies. Not in any context. Seeing that dehumanizing shit like that being normalized harms everyone who comes into contact with it. I cannot believe this even has to be argued to more than that one person.

Having sympathy for a person, or better yet, having empathy for a person does not mean that you excuse their actions. It doesn't reduce you. It isn't letting them get away with something. It is not unfair, it is not unjust. It grants insight to make better decisions. It enriches you with wisdom and robs the feelings of disgust, reproach, and righteousness we all naturally experience from their ability to warp our own perceptions and decisions.

[–] dom 7 points 4 days ago

Nope. No sympathy. They also put other kids at risk.

Someone driving 150kph in a school zone doesn't get my sympathy when they crash into tree, either.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

The baby absolutely didn't deserve to die like that. The parents, on the other hand, are experiencing the natural consequences of their own choices, literally what their actions brought on and deserved. Nobody has to say, "I told you so", but neither do they deserve anybody's sympathy.

This is no different than parents refusing to get a car seat for their child because they think seatbelts take away freedom, getting in a car accident, and the child dying in the accident. The child's preventable death is the parent's fault. They created the environment that was unsafe for the child because they were arrogant enough to believe they knew better than decades of evidence. In this car seat scenario, parents might even be charged with endangerment or negligence.

Or the grandmother who didn't believe her granddaughter's coconut allergy was real, because she knew better than the baby's doctors, and put coconut oil in the poor baby's hair and killed her. That grandma doesn't deserve sympathy for what she did.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It grants insight to make better decisions.

Will the anti-vaxxer parents learn from this? I'm not sure. We saw similar during COVID with people having family members contracting COVID, dying from it, and then still refusing to get vaccinated.

[–] Reannlegge 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Get vaccinated idiot, if everyone was vaccinated this child would not have been born with measles.

[–] jerkface 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What about my post leads you to assume I am not fully vaccinated? Because, wow.

[–] MacroCyclo 6 points 4 days ago

Some people are mean on here :/ I wish this kind of behaviour wasn't so normalized

[–] jerkface 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Jumping to unsupported conclusions, emotional thinking, and lashing out like that makes me wonder if you are in pain [sorry, edited]. So I'll drop the rhetoric and just say plainly: I am fully vaccinated, and I support mandatory vaccination for measles. But that is only responding to an ad hominem. My views and vaccination history have nothing to do with whether laughing and mocking grieving parents is ghoulish or not. That has fucking nothing to do with me and nor should any argument on the subject. Clean your shit up.