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Russia could be ready to attack Nato within five years and leaders of the western alliance are expected to agree to increase military spending to 5% of GDP this month to contain the threat, the alliance’s secretary general has said.

Mark Rutte said in a speech in London on Monday that Nato needed “a quantum leap in our collective defence”, which would include significant rearmament to deter an increasingly militarised Russia.

That would include a fivefold increase in air defence, thousands more tanks and millions more artillery shells to boost stockpiles and ensure Nato countries match existing levels of Russian production.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

As long as no one gives them the idea that a hostile occupation is sustainable in perpetuity, we'll be fine.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Technically anyone could attack nato but that doesn’t mean it would be successful

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In reality, Russia is going to attack with scrap metal and use its entire population as cannon fodder to claim they have committed "genocide."

[–] Thedogdrinkscoffee 7 points 17 hours ago

Russia is comitting genocide against Russians. It's the most Russian thing I can think of. Like ~ 1,000,000 deaths.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No. But much like an erratic hobo with an unfolded knife, I have zero desire to allow them the ability to attack anybody.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Who knows? Their attack on Ukraine hasn't gone to plan.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

According to what ? Credible défense I'm sure

[–] i_stole_ur_taco 12 points 1 day ago

Attack with what? All the rusted metal hulks and organic fertilizer they’ve left strewn across eastern Ukraine?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think the SG actually believes that, but whatever serves the goal of European military independence.

The more concerning shorter term threat is a rogue United States, but that's a hell of a thing to admit publicly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

I'd say even more concerning is rogue Hungary, Poland, and Slovakia, along with help of Belarus and possibly NK on a full scale war against NATO. Trump is dumb, but not that dumb to be attacking WITH Russia, since it would be much easier to claim some uninhabited Russian land full of natural resources compared to rather populated European countries without that much natural resources.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

They could attack NATO tomorrow, if they so desired. It would be a bloodbath, but an attack nonetheless.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Russia attacking NATO

aaahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha ok bro

also, "a quantum leap in our collective defense" so then a teeny tiny step?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Two percent GDP to five percent GDP isn’t a teeny tiny step.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

you're missing the point I'm pedantically making. "a quantum leap" is not a big jump, it's a tiny step.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

this is an inaccurate assertion. the usage of the word "quantum" as an adjective (as it is used in the op) means large or significant.

see source.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Honestly, no it couldn’t. That’s not a credible threat. And it’s not just about materiel losses. They sent most of their trainers to the front lines a few years ago. You.. just don’t do that. It makes it impossible to regenerate your forces.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere 4 points 1 day ago

And 1B drones.