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Wait are cotton pickin minute. The conservative media has been telling me Democrats are letting illegal aliens waltz across the border. Did they lied?
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ICE will play the role of the IRGC in Iran or other paramilitary groups you see in theocratic and authoritarian countries.
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And how many of those years were ICE straight up kidnapping people to throw into dungeons?
.5 (so far)
Ask the ICE victims because they were the scary brown people plotting the next 9/11 but never found guilty.
All of them. It was their founding mandate. It’s simply operating more openly and at unimaginable scale this year.
That's simply untrue, show me one example when they weren't given due process. Even the ones they caught mere feet accross the border would get to see a judge before going back. There was no accidental deportation of citizens or people there legally, and it was an discussion first, deport later scenario.
These are completely different in every way and to compare them being the same is a disservice to everyone.
Gitmo is a whole other beast.
I agree, there was some form of due process before.
That due process however was mostly a sham. Immigration courts are a show trial. They aren't part of the judicial branch. The "judges" work for the same guy as the prosecutors.
If the judge doesn't do as the president likes, they can be fired. Same with the prosecutors. These are shows put on so we can call ourselves a law abiding society.
EDIT: The torture prisons are new however.
Immigration courts are severely overburdened. You want to see how shit our whole justice system is have every American start filing frivolous law suits. This is how scientology got its protected status.
Immigration courts have always been kangaroo courts. For example, there's no right to an attorney, and young children have been made to defend themselves against threat of deportation. That's not due process by any stretch of the imagination.
To say "there was no accidental deportation of people there legally" is completely absurd. Are you suggesting that not a single immigration court ever made a single mistake?
The "disservice to everyone" is you trying to whitewash the system and pretending that courts that require 6 year olds to defend themselves with no council is somehow a legitimate, fair system, just because the orange man wasn't the one in charge of it.
There needs to be some kind of immigration enforcement just to handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process. This requires some level of funding, and due to inflation and growing populations it will always result in record breaking funding at some point.
Democrats were denouncing ICE in 2017-2020 because the administration was ordering ICE to pursue practices like stealing children. They are denouncing them now because ICE is kidnapping people off the street and when they show up for court hearings when they are complying with court orders.
This list implies that the Dems are wrong for ever funding ICE and that they are hypocrites for complaining when Republicans are in power. But it glosses over the nuance that ICE really is used far more maliciously when Trump is in power and that denouncing of the specific actions of ICE are completely valid because those are their jackboot thug years.
Dems are shitty on immigration because they are complicit with lowering immigration maximums and excluding too many people while not promoting reforms that improve how ICE behaves. But it isn't the same thing as supporting the ICEstappo when in office, because they dial it back to a shitty level instead of full on villain mode.
Absolutely. The solution is comprehensive immigration reform. Until Congress passes it, we will continue to deport people due to our overcomplicated and flawed system.
It’s also important to note that more immigrants cross the border under Democratic presidents, and most deportations under those presidents are people caught at the border, versus the rounding up and deporting of working, tax-paying immigrants who have been here for years.
Yes, which is why ICE and all immigration enforcement under Trump is many, many times worse than under the Dems and still would be even if the reforms were in place because Trump is ignoring the laws and court orders that should be preventing him from deporting people to 3rd party countries just like he ignored the orders against separating children from parents.
Even if the Dems were sugar and spice and everything nice we would still have some kind of immigration enforcement in place and it would have been twisted into to what it is now because conservatives don't care about following the laws they dislike.
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just to handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process.
United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) handles this. They and ICE were founded in 2002 along Customs and Border Patrol. ICE is the result of the merging of two separate enforcement agencies: part of the US Customs Services and the enforcement arm of the Immigration and Naturalization Services.
Illegal entries caught within 100 miles of the border weren't classified as deportations until the George W. Bush administration. Obama was colloquially known as Deporter in Chief for these high numbers.
The US also defines every international airport as a border, so there are almost no people in the country not within 100 miles of a border
There needs to be some kind of immigration enforcement just to handle the processing of people as they complete the immigration process.
No there doesn't. We don't have anything similar like a dedicated anti-immigration police in Canada or in the EU. There are border protection agencies and there are immigration bureaucracies, but this special immigration police thing going on in the US, is not a thing.
Ice is a newish agency formed after 9/11 with the also dystopianly named DHS. It was a product of the time of patriot acts and TSA. None of them are needed or helpful or going away.
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You don't understand, ICE was deporting brown people when we thought they were terrorists, now that ICE is deporting brown people because Trump thinks they're terrorists, it's now evil.
weird how you focus on Democrats when the Republicans are the problem here
everyone who gives a fuck knows republicans are the problem, what many people don't realize is that the democrats merrily sit at the same table as republicans, so people need to be informed about that so they can recognize that both parties are shit and there needs to be actual change.
They're both problems, and fixing the Democrats is the solution to both problems. Democrats repeatedly embracing the status quo is what lets Republicans keep winning, and Republicans won't change as long as they're winning.
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Between 2011 and 2015 the ICE budget stayed the same or fell in 2 years.
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Democrats enforced Obama era rules of 72 hour holding limitations for women and children, and followed a criminal-only persecution which actually deported more people than Trump despite the number of cages Trump filled. Thats what this is all about. Trump is filling cages for the private prison industry's profits.
If you don't want the DNC to compromise then elect more than 50 of them to the Senate, and a strong house majority.
If you don’t want the DNC to compromise then elect more than 50 of them to the Senate, and a strong house majority.
They could have all 100 seats and still find a way to capitulate.
Average Lemmy user, "There is no difference between the politician on the left and the politician on the right."
You like the politician on the left because he appointed the politician on the right.
Anyone who knows the guy on the left: "Hindenburg went out of his way to empower Hitler and the Nazis when it was clear that his coalition was failing. Instead of working with the Social Democrats, he empowered the Nazi. Without his choices, there's a chance that the Hitler wouldn't have come to power. He's an awful person."
You: "so you think there's no difference between the two?!"
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I like how in this analogy, republicans are Hitler and democrats are the guy who brought Hitler to power. Very apt.
The guy on the left appointed Hitler and then gave him power with the Enabling Act and aided in giving him unchecked powers.
So without Hindenburg, Hitler wouldn't have been put into power. So he's far from a good guy.
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I was just going to point out that deportations were higher under Biden.
Then I remembered who that guy in the picture is!
Hindenburg literally appointed Hitler chancellor, approved the Reichstag Fire Decree, and gave the Nazis emergency powers by singing the Enabling Act of 1933. Do you not even credit him slightly for the rise of Hitler and the Nazis?
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Wait no you can't do that! The Democrats would never eat my face, I can only conceive of that happening to Republicans
If the world were a binary meme world this might make sense, but it's more like saying stuff happened during the day... night... day... night...
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