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Clocks set to ‘fall back’ Sunday as daylight time ends for most Canadians (www.winnipegfreepress.com)

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[–] Rodeo 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why are we still doing this? Stupid and unnecessary. Just get rid of it already.

[–] mars 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The short answer is: Because the Northern states that we share a land border with currently observe Daylight Saving Time and we've been waiting literally years for the States to figure their shit out.

[–] Rodeo 10 points 1 year ago

Of all the stupid reasons, of course it's because we have to copy america.

[+] Showroom7561 -7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, getting rid of it would mean that it would get dark earlier during the summer months, which would honestly suck a lot more than having it be dark during the most miserable months of the year (when most people spend their time indoors anyway).

I would personally hate for it to get dark soon after dinner during the summer, since it leaves little time to be active outdoors. Maybe if we had 4 day workweeks it would be different...

[–] Pyr_Pressure 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I prefer having it lighter in the morning, much easier to wake up naturally instead of relying on an alarm. I don't really give a shit if it's dark at 3pm though because I spend most of my time indoors anyways 🤣

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Sleep and SADS research supports this, too. We should be on permanent standard time. Morning sunlight is super important, especially in the winter. Moving to permanent daylight time would cause more problems.

[–] Kichae 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, I do love having to wait until midnight to see the summer constellations. Good job. Well done.

[–] Showroom7561 0 points 1 year ago

Consider yourself lucky to be able to even see stars at midnight. With all the light pollution we have, most people need to drive hundreds of kilometres away from where they live to have a chance to see them.

Daylight savings doesn't really matter in this context.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I agree with not keeping standard time, I already get 0430 sunrise, I don't need 0330 sunrise. However year long savings time would work for me; 08-1700 daylight instead of 07-1600 at the solstice. (Times based on Montréal civil twilight)

I also acknowledge I'm on an east edge of a timezone, so the west edge (like Thunder Bay) may disagree. With the advances in automated timekeeping technology, this shouldn't be an issue, we can adjust where that line in the sand is.

[–] Grimpen 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I work in industrial automation, on the front lines of that automated timekeeping technology for 24 hour operations. The time change sucks and I hate it. It's pointless, and I'm glad that the average user is insulated from the years of tweaks and changes and bugs in all that automation, but it is frustrating because it is so pointless.

I still wish Canada had just abandoned the practice when Bush passed the utterly pointless 2007 change to Daylight Savings Time.

Most of the bugs are mostly ironed out, but they still exist. In the background, more modern devices tend to work in UTC, so internally ignore any time change. HMI displays convert to local time based on time zone. Which is famously straightforward.

You don't make a blanket longer by cutting a foot off the top and sewing it onto the bottom.

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[–] Rodeo 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Which one to choose is such a non-issue it shouldn't even be discussed.

It's just a number on the clock. The day doesn't actually get any longer or shorter, it doesn't actually get darker any earlier, the only thing that changes is the number on the clock. So adjust your life based on the actual darkness. Start work an hour earlier, go to bed an hour earlier, etc etc and wow it's exactly the same thing as you were doing before.

I just can't believe people even argue about this.

[–] GhostMatter 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it isn't nothing. There's been studies about it and previous experiences when winter time year-round was attempted.

In fact, keeping summer time year-round causes more accidents, particularly more child mortality, because people are in the dark when they get up during winter. Of course, fuck them cars, and children should not go to school so early. But it's just to show that's it's not the same either way.

[–] Rodeo -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You typed all that and still don't realize the problem is with the start time of school/work?

[–] GhostMatter 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You typed this reply without seeing I actually mentioned that? I am willing to take criticism about my writing style, but don't reply snarkily without actually reading.

Of course, fuck them cars, and children should not go to school so early.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

There isn't a lot of agency in work hours, and there is no agency in school hours.

But yes, just pick A time and get it over with.

I've got strong preferences, but that based in a bias from when I worked in a windowsless office. At the end of the day, no matter the choice I'd make it work.

[–] Showroom7561 -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the only thing that changes is the number on the clock. So adjust your life based on the actual darkness. Start work an hour earlier, go to bed an hour earlier, etc etc.

It must be nice to have those options, but hardly anyone does.

One example off the top of my head where a change for an earlier summer night would be summertime local events.

Currently, they start after most people have had dinner, and end while it's still daylight. This is a good thing since many venues don't have the appropriate outdoor lighting. These would either have to start earlier and interfere with dinner, or later and run into it got dark. That would be awful.

Workplaces that are 9-5, factoring in a commute and dinner, some people might never see evening daylight all year if it were cut short.

What benefit would it actually give, other than not needing to argue about it every year? 😂

[–] Rodeo 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why can't the workplaces change to 8-4 instead?

It's not the fifties anymore, 9-5 isn't even the norm anyways. Only about 30% of the workforce are in offices.

[–] Showroom7561 -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's anything like school, having people start work earlier will result in lower productivity. Maybe.

It still wouldn't solve the fact that summer daylight would be cut short.

Seems far more difficult to replace work hours than to keep daylight savings...

[–] Rodeo 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No daylight is cut short, jfc. There's exactly the same amount of daylight either way.

[–] Showroom7561 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The number of hours of daylight is irrelevant, since I'm sure most people would benefit from later sunsets than earlier sunrises.

Kids especially, who you wouldn't expect to be waking up at 5am just to catch more daylight hours.

[–] Rodeo -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean waking up at a regular time relative to the sun?

Why does the clock saying the number 5 matter? Why is it so important the clock says a certain number when you wake up?

[–] Showroom7561 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not about when you wake up, but when you go to sleep.

As I mentioned previously, fewer hours of daylight at the end of the day negatively impacts a lot of people, summer community events, leisure activities, pedestrian safety, etc.

What benefit would we gain by getting rid of daylight savings?

[–] Rodeo -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So go to bed earlier, genius!

Good Lord.

[–] Showroom7561 -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if you even understand what you're writing.

Can you explain how going to bed earlier gives you more daylight at the end of the day?

[–] Rodeo 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because you wake up earlier, start work earlier, and get home earlier.

[–] Showroom7561 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can keep repeating that, but waking up earlier doesn't change what time the sun goes down at night.

Very few people have the option to "start work earlier", or start school earlier. They work when they work.

It really seems like a lot of effort to compensate, when it requires no effort the way it is.

[–] Rodeo 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Very few people have the option to "start work earlier", or start school earlier ... It really seems like a lot of effort to compensate

We literally do it twice a year already! Holy fuck

What I'm proposing is to do it ONCE and then nobody ever has to worry about it ever again!

[–] Showroom7561 0 points 1 year ago

We literally do it twice a year already! Holy fuck

No, we change the time on our clocks to collectively benefit from a later sunset. Business hours don't change.

What I'm proposing is to do it ONCE and then nobody ever has to worry about it ever again!

You're proposing that everyone suffer through earlier sunsets in the summer, but haven't explained why it would be a good thing.

[–] RalphWolf 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm so ready for this to end. Stop the madness already!

[–] DerisionConsulting 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the best part of Saskatchewan.

[–] jadero 6 points 1 year ago

To be fair, though, we just went to DST and never went back. At my longitude, solar noon is about 1:25 "pm". The people of SK aren't early risers, we just set our clocks so late that it looks that way.

There are people around me who think we should do DST, thinking we'll use our current time as the base, thus being double-DST. Madness.

If someone wants to get up earlier, I'm fine with that. But don't do it by trying to trick yourself by resetting the clocks.

[–] bionicjoey 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We are about to complete our dark bargain.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm not ready 😔

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is the only DST shit I can get behind. I get I'm not really getting a bonus hour of sleep (or hobby time), but dammit, it sure feels like it! And my body adjusts do much better to this.

It's that stupid shit in the spring when we lose an hour that fucks me over for MONTHS. It's not worth the "bonus" hour I get back later.