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Donald Trump reiterated his claim that Canada would be better as the U.S.’s 51st state, citing trade imbalances and lower taxes.

He also announced new 25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, including from Canada, despite a recent 30-day reprieve.

Canadian PM Justin Trudeau has not formally responded, but a government source said they await official confirmation.

Trump criticized Canada’s defense spending and border security, despite recent Canadian commitments.

Canada previously retaliated against similar tariffs in 2018 before a 2019 trade deal resolved the dispute.

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[–] [email protected] 219 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

Most of us would rather die than ever become an American. Want a good example of the mood in Canada summed up against our 'ally to the south' as of late? Well let me just personally put it this way. You, the United States, are a fucking joke.

To quote an author, Stephen Marche, who spoke on the CBC here in Canada recently... The bold is mine but the emphasis really should be placed there anyway.

They've [The US] come off of 70 years of failed wars of occuption. One thing you have to understand about these comments is that they come from a profound weakness that America is really unfamiliar with. And Canada is unfamiliar with America being this weak. They can't hold Baghdad, I'm not sure why they think they can hold Montreal. But they're also being kicked out of Niger and you know they are weaker than they've ever been in a lot of ways. They are extremely fragile as a country. They have absolutely no solidarity, they have absolutely no unity. They are in the middle of dismantling their administrative state and war is a is a test, fundamentally, of the strength of the administrative state. So I think you should take this about as seriously as you would take the ramblings of a crack addict on the subway. I.e, you pay attention to it and get out of the way and you do what you can but, you know, this is not something to be treated like an actual... this is not something to be thought about. It's just the ramblings of lunacy.

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I think he's [Trump] actually managed to make Canadians patriotic for the first time since I can remember. You have to say, he's the president of the United States but the United States is crumbling. Institutions are falling apart and 'Who the United States is at this moment'... that's not a meaningful phrase. You have to ask yourself which America are you talking about, which institutions are you talking about, because they are not under the guidance of anyone, right?

[...]

All he [Trump] can do is destroy. The American stock market is falling, even the threat of this [tarrifs on Canadian goods] has caused inflation to raise it's head. The American people fired everyone who has caused gas prices to rise almost immediately. They can tolerate almost anything from their political class. War crimes, whatever, but increase gas prices they go crazy for. So it's just very important to understand that this is spoken from a position of profound weakness.

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America has never been an uglier place to become a part of. I mean who would wanna be American at this point in history. They're about to start killing each other. There is no question that there is a Canadian rejection of American values, the American government and Amreica itself. Why wouldn't you reject these people? They're awful.

Watch it for yourself here.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What a deservedly scathing review of the US of A.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

And of most of the people. That "Why wouldn't you reject these people. They're awful." line is based on the fact that a majority of Americans allowed Trump to become elected. Either through actively voting for him or whatever excuse they want to use for not voting at all against outright fascism. First time he was elected an argument could be made that the people who didn't vote or who voted for him were misled. At this point? It just became abundantly clear that our neighbors to the south genuinely don't seem to care about anything or harbor a deep amount of hatred or ignorance within themselves.

Review should have gone a bit harder in my opinion. It isn't just the government or the country itself that is an embarassment. Most of the people are too.

And let me be abundantly clear. If whoever is reading this voted for anyone other than Kamala, or did not vote at all, yes. You're the awful people we're talking about. You should really hate yourself as much as we hate you.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As George Carlin said, selfish ignorant people elect selfish ignorant leaders.

Personally, talking to anyone about politics here is unnerving. Most people are in this fog where current events are only an ephemeral storyline that they tune into periodically like it's a TV drama. Never a big deal, never anything that could affect them or those they care for. It's a position of privilege, frankly. Maybe some of them are just that dumb. I think a lot of people, though, are scared, either of their ignorance or their powerlessness, so they simply avoid being involved or educated out of discomfort. That's probably the nicest interpretation I have for my countrymen's behavior.

Otherwise you are spot on. The uniquely tasteless brand of brash American chauvinism that we were globally lampooned for during the Invasion of Iraq has metastasized. We are long overdue for being knocked down a peg. I wish I could say the fallout from this painful reckoning would stay within our borders, but it most likely won't. We have a very uncertain year ahead of us, let alone the next five years.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most people are in this fog where current events are only an ephemeral storyline that they tune into periodically like it’s a TV drama.

No, I think most people only have the spoons to handle what is in front of them for the next 3-7 days. Its a systemic problem, that's been promoted by both parties: Keeping voters head's spinning, and the cloak of darkness providing cover for what our oligarchs want to actually do.

I've recently had to explain this to another person: The further down you are, in getting your needs met on the Maslow diagram, the shorter your planning becomes.

If all your needs are met, you can plan for this year, next year, and make decent plans for beyond. If your basic physical needs like food, shelter, water, and housing aren't being met, then your planning is reduced to 3-5 days, if that.

Its purposeful by design, for the working class to have their needs met partially only, at best, by the ruling class. So, we CAN'T plan further out.

Notice during the pandemic, when food, housing, water, etc were all being met better, due to a reduction in transportation costs, food distributions, moratoriums on eviction? We went from people re-learning to make bread, to "Fuck the system!" in a matter of a couple of months?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of the people I'm around are not rich by any means, but they are not living paycheck to paycheck. Rising cost of living is worrying, but manageable. They can afford to pay even the littlest bit of attention or concern, but they don't. Because then they would have to admit that things are collapsing around them week by week, and that's too frightening for them.

Frankly I'm tired of justifying the behavior of the average American with infantilizations like we are some lower form of life without sapience. At some point we have to own up to it, even if it's painful, even if all we have is ignorance, cowardice, and apathy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Most of the people I’m around are not rich by any means, but they are not living paycheck to paycheck.

Most Americans are a single paycheck away from being destitute... Like, the average savings for a person in this country is 2K. That's not even a single paycheck of mine, and hell, I even find it hard to make and plans past 8 or 9 months out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I disagree with only one point there: while America as a political entity is like a crazy crackhead, it's like a very heavily armed crazy crackhead. Treat the prospect of being invaded by the US the same way Ukrainians treated the prospect of being invaded by Russia. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst, because the US military is really good at wrecking whole countries even if it sucks at occupying them.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

And are they just going to start shooting normal people at random? Canadians look exactly and sound exactly like America. The US Military is really good at wrecking a country but who cares when we can cross a border you can't defend, mingle perfectly and start guerilla attacks against major infrastructure?

This war is not just tanks vs planes and ships vs submarines. This would end violently for America.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

You seem to be under the impression that I'm defending the idea of the US invading Canada. I am not. It's a horrific thing to even contemplate and insane on many levels. My point is that the US might do it anyway, so Canada needs to be prepared. You really don't want to be the next Vietnam or Iraq.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

You seem to be under the impression that I’m defending the idea of the US invading Canada.

No? I just missed a step in my text a bit. My point was that while the US military is strong and could outright invade Canada with tanks and planes and guns... that isn't how the war would actually be fought. It would instantly turn to guerilla warfare as normal citizens started weaponizing themselves, crossing into the United States, and being able to carry out attacks on American infrastructure while looking and sounding the same as Americans.

Canada can't prepare a ton more than it already has but America can't prepare at all. The infrastructure in America is way too vulnerable and any war with Canada would mean a destruction of American infrastructure carried out by people wearing not uniforms but a smile.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Excuse the naive question please, but how will Canadians know each other?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

That doesn't matter at all when you're actively attacking infrastructure and not people.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Canadian here, can confirm. This is pretty much how just about everyone I talk to feels about the situation. And I work in the trades in Alberta. Even my dumbest trump friends don’t want to be American. There will be boots to the fucking ground if our government tries to allow America to annex us.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Christ. I'm from Newfoundland but also (surprising literally zero Canadians) lived in Fort McMurray and other parts of Alberta for a time. The idea of them reacting like that up there now is kind of astounding. I remember when Trudeau was elected. I was living just outside of Calgary at the time. I remember people flying American flags saying they wanted to leave and join the US as a whole other state.

Man. You have to fuck up royally to get dimwit dipshit Albertans and other Canadians to go "Nah, we'll pass there buddy."

As mentioned I'm from NFLD. Specifically from the Gander area and of an age to vividly remember all of the planes landing in Gander. All the shitloads of people, mostly Americans, who were stranded and afraid. We had a Texan couple stay in our house for a couple of days until the planes were ready to go. There is a musical play called Come From Away that I cannot recommend enough about what happened. Got our accent and music right but also the feel of what was going on. I'm super proud to have lived during that and while I was just a kid? I am super proud of how we all acted. Most people got taken into homes and taken care of until their planes were ready to go. Not to mention all the work setting up emergency areas for people to stay and food and everything else. It truly was a community effort.

The towns have been informally polling ourselves on Facebook and other places to see how we'd all react if 9/11 happened today. The overwhelming majority of us reacted with "Fuck them. They're staying on the planes or limited to the airport." with some people saying the planes should be outright rejected for fear of it being a ploy of Americans trying to invade Newfoundland.

Just to let you non-Canadians know something... You know how Canadians are called the most polite people on the planet? Newfies are usually said to be the most polite of the Canadians.

Again... how royally do you have to fuck up...

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Yeah I remember. I’ve seen maybe one MAGA hat in the last few years, and the dude wearing it was absolutely ancient. they were all over the place during the last election. After the Jan 6 stuff Albertans started to think maybe he wasn’t that great after all. There’s still a lot of “lesser of two evils” sentiment around the guy but nobody wants to join the US anymore.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Planes with Americans? Gander? As an European this sounds like there was a refugee crisis between Canada and the US. What happened lol?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Post Sept 11, (lots of) flights were grounded for several days.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

September 11, 2001, all planes were grounded in North America, and Gander has an airport under flight routes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

The link I posted of the trailer of Come From Away sums it up pretty well. But basically, airspace got locked down in America on 9/11 and hundreds of planes that were on their way had to be grounded. Gander, a small town of about 9000, took in about 8000 passengers. Due to the central location of Gander, it took an absurd amount of planes in and all those people had to go somewhere. We set up emergency shelters but most people just stayed at someone's home for free until the plane was ready to go.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reminds me a bit of how it was in Germany at the beginning of the Iraq war (2). Plenty of Americans saying we should be bombed back to the stone age for not going to Iraq, while our soldiers were dying in Afghanistan. I remember in all the bulletin boards people would kind of cheer for American losses, hoping secretly or sometimes openly that Iraq would win, and the schoolyard bully would get another bloody nose.

That's the moment large parts of my generation became anti-american.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I know a bunch of Canadians who are still furious about that time an American dropped a fucking bomb on Canadian forces and killed a bunch of us and then walked away with effectively no repurcussions.

I'm one of those Canadians.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (5 children)

About half of America would join Canada in fighting this tyranny. I think it would be a grave mistake for Trump’s presidency to follow through on these threats.

[–] masterspace 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No they fucking wouldn't. They would sit at home and watch the Superbowl and clap along like they are right now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think you greatly underestimate how many Americans are angry about what’s going on and like our neighbors to the North.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

"being angry" is like "thoughts and prayers"... it really means nothing.

Only a minuscule part of Americans are actually to motivate them to do anything about it... half of those are not even doing anything useful...

[–] masterspace 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 2 minutes ago)

I think I know exactly how many Americans are protesting right now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And America would lose. Violently. They may successfully annex the country but they would never win.

If America invades Canada then the only thing that has happened is guaranteed your own demise. You have a border with us that isn't defensible and we look exactly like you. We sound exactly like you. We are taught the same things as you are and because of your loud as shit TV, we're plugged into the same pop culture. We can pass every single test to come off as an American.

America invades Canada and guerilla warfare becomes instaneous. You would have to literally kill every single Canadian who has a problem with the invasion because otherwise the extreme Anti-American hatred will only grow and foster until the United States is constantly being bombarded by "domestic terrorists" from a nation that never wanted to be a part of your shitheap in the first place.

People keep thinking about war with drones and tanks and soldiers. If you're going to another country and trying to pound them into submission like the Americans or Russians? Sure. But it is a very different thing entirely when a fishing vessel packed with fertilizer detonates inside of a port or harbor or when multiple explosives are set off devastating your insanely aging and woefully unprotected bridges and railways. Or those pipelines that go on forever with massive areas of nothing and no one in between. Cause an ecological spill you can't recover from. Maybe even the power grid that your states have idiotically decided to seperate? We could cripple Texas with a bunch of Albertans. Or we could just go through your farming states spreading weeds everywhere. Start planting Kudzu everywhere across the US. Start burning forests that prevent your dustbowl from reoccuring. You are so fucking easy to destroy.

You guys protect all the wrong things and you do not need to be a terrorist to realize how insanely inadequate the protections would be from attacks within.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Americans like to think of themselves as heroes, fighting for what's right, upholding the constitution etc. But if you look at history Americans again and again chose to simply do nothing. You reached late Roman decadence.

Here a candidate voted with the far right and a week later, one million people were on the streets. Population adjusted that would be 5 million Americans. That was a small protest for us. And that's nothing compared to the French. I looked at the biggest American demonstrations and this one demo, a regular Sunday for us, would have been the third biggest in the US, population adjusted, or the seventh biggest, not adjusted.

All these talks of civil war.. You cannot even move your ass to go to a demo. You think regular Americans are actually going to look at a Bradley, who can kill all the inhabitants of a house with one shot, and go like "yep, time to strap on the suicide vest!"

Even those militia types.. Look at them. How far do you think they can run on average? How far with a backpack? They are just LARPing. 80% will stay home, 4% will go back home after the beer runs out, 15% will rat the others out to the Gestapo.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Agree with you but I'll also throw out- protests do fuck all here. Those in power ignore and then we move on with life. It's just the truth.

Until you threaten their money or lives it won't do shit and plenty of people are happy enough to hold signs and pat themselves on the back saying they made a difference.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Is that the same half that rose up to fight it at home? Because I must have missed that part.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think that many would involve themselves in this war. Luckily, you don't need that many when your are shitting on neighbors, partners, and other military and trade hegemonies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Maybe not half of the entire US population, but I'd hazard "half" is a fair estimate for those living in border regions, like the Great Lakes.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Really looking forward to the day the orange buffoon drops

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To be fair, Bagdad is half a world away. The logistics of maintaining something there is astronomically higher than in the same hemisphere, let alone our next door neighbor.

That being said I'm on team annexation... of Minnesota. Please take us!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

First we take Wisconsin... Then we take Mich-i-gaaaan

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Surprisingly I don't think I've seen comments from people who live in Maine, New Hampshire or Vermont on the subject online. I never realized just how close those states are to Montreal.

[–] ininewcrow 2 points 1 day ago

Beautiful reference and mention of an insightful writer and author .... now I have some more reading to do. Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for the link and transcript

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I typed that bitch out manually because I knew I was just gonna end up sending it to someone else in the future.

I already have.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

That's a lot of work, I appreciate it.