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[–] [email protected] 196 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Google begins recommending DuckDuckGo.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

That or Startpage

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Or SearXNG. I run an instance, you can check it out: search.gregtech.eu

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[–] [email protected] 190 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

At this point I’ve been using DDG for 7 years as my main search engine. It’s gotten better while Google has become a joke.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago

Can confirm. I didn't think it'd be like that but it do be like that. DDG gang, where you at.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I switched to DDG recently due to the manifest v3 changes and AI junk and have been really liking it. It feels like what Google used to be when it was good.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So, you're saying Bing got better.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

I don’t know the full story about how Microsoft is developing Bing, but I do know that Google made a conscious decision to make their search results worse, simply so that you’d search more times, which for them translates to additional ad revenue. But, my sense is Bing hasn’t gone this far yet.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

DDG does add their own spice on to – or so they claim, and Bing doesn't have bangs so I'd never want to use it.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can't wait until they enshittify, the way I see it, everything will eventually, even Lemmy. It's up to us to not settle too hard in one place

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

The fact Lemmy is open source and federated makes it almost impossible to enshittify. What are you gonna do, show ads? Third party clients are first class citizens here

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

it still can enshittify, but we can save it with the help of git and the fork button

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

One scenario is that normies join en masse and influencers/marketers follow them, and the quality of conversation goes to zero like on all big platforms. You can't solve this with software.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

So that's "getting shittier" but not "enshittification". The latter is explicitly a profit-motive driven phenomenon, coined by Cory Doctorow in 2023. Here's the original post he made about it: https://doctorow.medium.com/tiktoks-enshittification-bb3f5df91979

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No, I don't think that's sustainable, nor is it sustainable to act as if it were true. Given the lack of resources we have compared to Google or Meta et al., the only way to make it work is to stick with something for the long run, and bake in protections in both the technology and the organisational structure. Being opensource and federated goes a long way there, there's no real reason why something not for profit would have to enshittify. But people won't put in the effort to keep building it if they think that's inevitable.

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[–] corsicanguppy 133 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember interviewing at Google years ago (if you're keeping score, it was 2012/2013 just before their stock hiccupped and my onboarding was killed as I was only a 97% fit), and the guy was religious about page load times. "We cut 200 lines of code if it'll give us a millisecond of page load speed", that kind of thing.

How they've fallen.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 week ago (2 children)

well they don't need to fight for new users anymore. Everyone uses it already, and children are basically indoctrinated to it: all schools have that as search engine, often they even use google classroom and drive and whatnot on the classes. if they have chromebooks, the chrome browser automatically starts after login even if you don't want to use it, and you can't unpin it from the taskbar either

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

Google sucks so bad that I switched to Bing. BING!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

DuckDuckGo for day-to-day stuff, Bing for naughty content.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Duckduckgo is bing. They route their searches there afaik. It's just a privacy layer, like startpage is a privacy layer on Google.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Careful saying that round these parts, you'll summon the ducks.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 week ago

Feels good not to care anymore about the unrelenting enshittification of Reddit, Twitter and Google since I switched away from them.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago

Cool. As if the over-promotion of AI garbage wasn't enough of a reason to stop using it.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I didn't know they allowed you to search without JS before. If you're at the point of disabling JS, presumably for security or privacy reasons, why not just use DDG which works perfectly well without JS?

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Doing this to combat bots like they aren't also using bots to scrape data from the internet is interesting.

I wonder how this affects modified/custom search engines (like udm14).

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

why no one quotes searx instances? https://searx.space/

or even paid search engines : kagi.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just makes me realize that I haven't used Google search in like over a year now because I use Kagi. Even before that i was using searx-ng.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

You can use these instead of Google:

  1. SearXNG
  2. MetaGer
  3. Brave
  4. Mojeek
  5. PriEco
  6. SwissCows
  7. Yandex {It's really good for Torrenting}
  8. LibreX & LibreY {Gives you google search results in a privacy-respecting way Without JavaScript}
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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If the British civil service, even operating under previous administrations, can put together a multi-functioning government domain that runs reasonably well without JavaScript, there's no reason Google can't continue to do the same with a ducking web search.

The former works better with JavaScript, that's true, but it works OK without and that's the point.

Then again, the civil service were ordered to do it largely out of spite because the government didn't want to give the plebs any excuse for not being able to use the site.

I'm not sure how to get Google to lose the need for scripting in the same way.

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[–] john89 21 points 1 week ago

🥱

I fucking hate how these companies get so bloated and then start doing whatever the fuck they want.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

the widely used programming language to make web pages interactive

I hope we aren't talking forms and input fields, right?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Me, to Google right now:

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

May I suggest https://mojeek.com/ as a privacy respecting alternative that actually has its own web crawlers and indexers.

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[–] Ulrich_the_Old 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Never use google to search. There are many other options and all of them are better than google.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If only I could replace YouTube...

Being a parasite is the Google business model

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