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[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

I didn't see the Reddit link for a second so I'm like is this the fediverse Community commenting about how many people are talking in the fediverse community.

The concept of that made me chuckle

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Sure. I'll head over and see if I can't help out after I get off work.

[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 week ago (7 children)

"I'm very tech-savvy, but I don't understand how the Fediverse work" - Then continues to write FUD... I'm so tired lol

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If Pixelfed can reach 186k monthly active users in a week thanks to IG users, than I'm really not sure how tech savvy that person is indeed

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (6 children)

A huge barrier for some is picking the instance and figuring which community they should follow.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

A huge barrier for some is picking the instance and figuring which community they should follow.

Figuring out which communities on which servers to subscribe to is way more important than figuring out which server to post from.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

no, it does matter, because of the "local" feed.

I am in favor of creating something intermediate between "local" and "global". For example, it should also show you a few posts of "neighboring" servers, but not so much from servers who are further removed.

But that effectively goes in the direction of creating a recommendation algorithm, which is a notoriously difficult topic, because everyone will complain about the results.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

To get to that point you have to have selected an instance and then learned how it all works so IMO that’s less of a barrier for entry than it is a barrier for use

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Is it though? No one waited around and avoided email because they weren't sure which provider to use. Just make an account and go... if you hear or see other features that you want, then move.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some instances filter which content comes through, which might concern some people. And email services offer different features these days, so people might assume the same of fediverse instances as long as we’re drawing that comparison.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

I can't see downvotes and a lemmy.world admin threatened banning me for my half of a sarcastic spat.

Instances definitely matter.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I guess I had practice from picking MMO servers all these years.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (8 children)

"Lemmy has 42k monthly active users

Feel free if you have any questions"

Why those two? https://lemmy.world/comment/14616442

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It is the "problem" of how accessible everything is. I know plenty of genuinely amazing coders who have no idea how an operating system (let alone the hardware it runs on) works because they don't need to know. EVERYONE has stories of people who don't understand directory structures because they grew up on google drive.

And it REALLY does not help that the average fediverse evangelist can't shut up and just give a simple answer.

In the Warframe space? What I and others have noticed works REALLY well is to tell the person trying it out "At the end of a mission you are going to get like 40 currencies. Ignore that shit, it doesn't matter". And in fediverse stuff? The answer is just to say "It is like having an email account at gmail or hotmail or whatever"*. It doesn't matter. Just go to join-lemmy.org or whatever and pick one of the top servers after doing their questionnaire".

Instead we have "Well, you need to understand federation and why it is so important. Read this white paper and then come back to me and I'll suggest a few youtube videos that explain what you are having trouble with"

*: The fact that I couldn't think of a good email provider that normies use IS the problem.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

I know plenty of genuinely amazing coders who have no idea how an operating system

Such a person cannot be an "amazing coder".

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

There should be a link, that redirects you to the registration page of a random (maybe based on geo ip) Lemmy server. Just don't mention to the user that they have a choice of servers. Just have them register and get on. Later, while using the Fediverse, they will learn how it works and be able to understand what it means to choose a Lemmy server yourself.

Anything else is just too complicated for the average person, I think. Hell, I think domain names other than lemmy.xxx is confusing some people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

random (maybe based on geo ip) Lemmy server.

Random servers usually give lackluster experiences: https://lemmy.world/post/24220536

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Hell, I think domain names other than lemmy.xxx is confusing some people.

This. Techies know custom domains are a thing. A LOT of people are going to look askance at anything that isn't among the most common TLDs. I mean, lemmy.zip is kinda funny. But it also screams "don't click me, zip files from an unknown source are dangerous!"

...and now I'm having intrusive thoughts about exe being a TLD. I'm-a go lay down until the voices stop.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I see that hexbear.net, lemmygrad.ml, and Lemmy.ml are all recommendations there. So there might be a problem with that plan... They hate the West, whereas people in Reddit are FROM the West, and overall even if they join Lemmy, I cannot imagine them remaining here for very long.

I almost quit Lemmy after even just a couple of mere discussions with people on those instances - I sure as fuck would not have stuck around if my entire instance was surrounded by them!

Would YOU join Truth.Social, the Alt-Right network? Well, here at Lemmy, we are the Alt-Left one. It is zero surprise to me at all that centrists on Reddit are not desiring to come to this place that is so highly unwelcoming to ~~them~~ anyone who does not use Linux btw.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Generally, I don't believe it's actually an issue with complication. There's just a resistance to change. That said there's still significant onus on those invested in the fediverse to make sure It Just Works^tm^

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I miss a lot of the niche communities of reddit that still had engagement. Lemmy doesn't have all that I used to have, but I decided to join anyway. Not everyone will do that, and like you said that makes the resistance to change even stronger.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's fine to use both, most people do

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah if you want to that's fine. I choose not to.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

You are not alone.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wow, that's a dumb argument. I don't have the slightest clue how it works, but I'm here!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

IKR.

Call me a gatekeeper but it's not secret arcane knowledge for a privileged few.

You just sign up the same way you've done anything ever.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I mean... people who understand how the fediverse works... have already made the move.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So what? You don't have to understand how something works to use it.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

I appreciate folks making the effort to help over there. I nuked my 12-year-old account and try not to give them any additional traffic, but onboarding new folks is probably one of the best arguments for activity there

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had a quick look, seems like @[email protected] did some some heavy lifting as usual

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Be sure to let them know the Fediverse is kind of like the Marvelverse. Except instead of being a universe of Marvel, it's a universe about Kevin Federline! The Fediverse!!!!

.......I just realized that joke is so old that it's not culturally relevant anymore. Nobody knows who K-Fed was......or cares.

Dammit! It's a funny joke if this were 2006!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah well maybe they should come here. Lol not to be too harsh. What kinda questions are there anyway? More importantly, what questions are there that can't be answered by "just go on lemmy brah"?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah well maybe they should come here.

That's the idea!

“just go on lemmy brah”

This works. Please do so politely.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

Found this out from that subreddit: https://dansup-open-letter.github.io/

~~That's very interesting. It did change my view of dansup.~~

edit: just like the comments said, most points seem to be exaggerated and mostly bs upon a closer look.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My personal view on this is Dansup absolutely suffers from the instinct of not open sourcing stuff until it’s fairly late in the stage of being an MVP, but I think that’s largely because he’s learning these technologies as he goes and is afraid of criticism on that front. Personally, however, I do not think it is the case that he does not believe in the Open Source project. I also trust him when he says he’s working towards a nonprofit to distribute the load. It seems his first steps are to get funding via kickstarter to quit his job, and then I imagine organizing a nonprofit structure is next.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As the author said in the website, saying a platform is open source when you haven't even released the source is nothing but wrong. And that is not the only thing he has done it seems.

~~I personally can't take his apologies seriously after his cocky harassments.~~

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Many of the points are bullshit and that's without even having any context, it's evident from the posts themselves.

Like the part where he allegedly "threatened legal action" - all he was saying is that outside fedi/oss that would mean a legal action, sounds like pointing out the advantages of oss/fedi, not threatening a legal action.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would urge you to re-read that and scrutinize the claims because I do not think that should ruin your view of Dan. Think about the claims and ask your self if you really care about those points.

That letter comes off as extremely pathetic. The guy is human. Nothing said there was crazy or rude or worth canceling support for a over. None of the nitpicked points had nearly enough evidence or context for people to make a judgement. The presentation was extremely bias and borderline untrue.

For example "I am also in talks with @hazy! to join our team" is not an official offer to join the team. Yet this letter presents it as a set in stone offer that Dan went back on for unjustified reasons. Dan gave his reasons why the offer fell through and if he is to be believed (and if he isnt) then the negotiations fell through and thats normal and ok.

Another example. This letter says Dan is so mean to his fellow fedi devs calling them rats. Then shows 3 instances of Dan clearly responding to attacks against him. Why can these "fellow" fedi devs attack dan but Dan cannot defend himself? The comments for Dan were unbelievably tame. He does not call fedi devs rats he calls some of the people attacking him rats. There is a big difference there.

I would push back on any example in that doc (except the open source one) because they all seem very stupid.

People start these projects as a hobby and users expect higher than corporate level professionalism its insane. You want people to be human but you dogpile anyone who acts human.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Can people even make semi anon accounts for reddit anymore. It seems unless they can finger print you and associate your account to real ID, they won't let you post.

Even if you slip through, the account will get banned within days

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