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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by avidamoeba to c/canada
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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

More of a set of bullet points than an actual "plan."

Financial incentives, not penalties, to help consumers afford things like more energy efficient appliances, electric cars, and better home insulation.

Great - details, please. What kind of incentives, and at what stage of the buying process will they be applied?

Canada’s biggest emitters will contribute their fair share

Does this mean the existing carbon tax on industry will remain in place, or...something else?

Investments towards energy efficient buildings, electrified transportation, and more.

Meaninglessly vague without details.

Ensuring fairness for Canadian industries on the global stage, and better integrate with allies in the fight against climate change.

Word salad.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

It's honestly pretty par for the course for LPC. There's a reason why the only thing keeping the LPC in power has been fear of the CPC.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tbf he's only just started. More info should be released prior to the leadership election day on March 9.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

You're right, of course - but I'm going to continue to be unimpressed until we get some actual details!

[–] avidamoeba 7 points 1 week ago

Agreed, skeptical till proven otherwise, while keeping with the goal of preventing PMPP.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I wouldn't expect a lot of detail simply because he'll likely be running in the federal election and would want to announce his major planks during that instead.

[–] PhoenixAlpha 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There is lots more detail in the full news release link at the bottom of the page. It's going a bit over my head right now though.

https://markcarney.ca/media/2025/01/mark-carney-presents-plan-for-change-on-consumer-carbon-tax

[–] Rentlar 3 points 1 week ago

The information here is probably the details that are being looked for. I do think having both is good, and the electorate will fall asleep when only presented with the nitty-gritty, so they need the vague plans and slogans.

[–] avidamoeba 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Investments towards energy efficient buildings, electrified transportation, and more.

Meaninglessly vague without details.

I imagine grants for adding geo heat pumps for new buildings; insulating old ones such as adding insulating layers to the facades your typical brick-clad multi-storey buildings; boiler-to-heatpump conversions for such; grants for electrification of rail and public transit. There's just so much low hanging fruit that can be picked with the right subsidies, but you're right, it's all innuendo till details prove it.

[–] Rentlar 11 points 1 week ago

Starting off on a platform of electrified transportation, skipping the oil industry's distractions of "green LNG", or "emissions-free hydrogen" is a promising sign.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Centrist Banker Makes Non-threatening Sounds to Garner Support

[–] avidamoeba 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

About right. Still, somehow surprisingly there's more concrete non-market statements in here than the carbon tax policy of the LPC so far.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not as bad as I'd expected. Some good things in there. The outcome that's promised is that it will be "at least as effective" as what we have now, so at least it's believable.

[–] MacroCyclo 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, the liberals have had a reasonably ambitious climate plan under Trudeau. I think Carney is mostly just going to scrap the politically challenging stuff and redress the rest in a more politically palatable way. That's what it looks like to me anyways.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

The Trudeau government has done fuck all compared to what would be appropriate over the past 9 years, and Carney might accomplish almost as little. But at least maybe we'd get some marginally better electric car charging facilities and other such goodies out of it, and he seems to understand that you can't have a price on carbon high enough to be effective without some kind of international mechanism to compensate for the effects on trade.

[–] howrar 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So how much power does the party leader actually have in enacting these changes?

[–] Kichae 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Functionally all, if they're the Prime Minister of a majority parliament. A good deal if they're PM in a hung parliament where the NDP isn't dead set on skewering itself.

[–] howrar 1 points 1 week ago

So essentially, they set the party platform and everyone in the party follows that?

[–] humanspiral -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I support Carney over nazi CIA plant, but

The only reason a carbon tax is "divisive" is related to all politicians supporting a war on Russia, and diesel refining capacity being at maximum because of use in that war. You can't fight disinformation that "carbon tax causes out of control heating costs" if you are committed to being a US colony devoted to the empire warmongering. Canada, much less Canadians, have no gains from a war on Russia, and understanding costs would undermine Canadian political unanimity in supporting demonism.

Trump's unfounded/false declaration of a national emergency, along with justifying tariffs based on small deficit and opportunity to extort sovereignty, and refusing to negotiate, or accept the substantial Canadian appeasement policies, and photo ops, of the last week, makes these tariffs an act of war.

Canada needs partnerships with nuclear powers not colonized by US. The war on Canada will not be appeased by polite sycophancy hoping for return to normal. While Freeland's, anti America coalition talks, is constructive, her Ukrainian nazification first agenda, would make the current free (of American colonization) world, outside of that coalition, when it includes actual global powers able to exterminate American hegemony.

But small steps would include, removing tariffs on China, Sanctions on Russia, aid to Ukraine, and so inviting cross border shopping from Americans. Especially if Michigan/Ontario auto production grinds to a halt, welcoming Chinese EV imports would be popular. Removing US permission for FDI in our resources sector by China is a big opportunity for Canada. Can be accompanied by resource refining, and manufacturing customers close to those projects, also with Chinese FDI. Joining BRICS and belt and road. If Trump forces US auto makers to invest in new plants to replace Canadian ones, it needs to be clear they will never sell a vehicle in Canada.

It is obvious that US colonization of Canada for last 90 years has benefitted the US. The only way to get them to back down from their war on Canada is to threaten taking that subservience away, and make them beg to restore it. Threats of nuclear strikes on US by partners is needed to make their begging for forgiveness their only option.