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Early car sales data for January is starting to arrive from countries across the pond, and they paint an alarming picture for Tesla. Sales are crashing in France, Germany, and the UK—all affluent countries that are key markets for Tesla's electric vehicles. Coming on the heels of a large financial miss, it's just one more problem for the automaker.

Tesla sales dropped around 13 percent across Europe in 2024, but so far this year, the scale of the problem is far greater. In France, sales of new Teslas fell by 63 percent, while total car sales in the country fell by just 6 percent, with EV sales dropping just half a percent.

Germany was already looking like lost ground for Tesla—its 41 percent drop in 2024 accounted for most of Tesla's lost sales across Europe. That must make the 59 percent drop in German Tesla sales recorded during January even more painful on the profit and loss statements.

Across the Channel, the British auto industry just released its sales data for January. Here, Tesla sales fell less precipitously—just 12 percent. However, battery EV sales were 35 percent higher in the UK in January 2025 than in January 2024. The cake is growing, but Tesla is getting to eat less and less of it.

In fact, no Tesla cracked the UK's top 10 best-seller list last month, something that has regularly happened in the past, although that may be due to having just two models for >sale in most markets.

Large declines have also been recorded in Sweden (44 percent), Norway (38 percent), and the Netherlands (42 percent).

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago

The TSLA crash going to be glorious, can't wait.

[–] humanspiral 46 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Turns out that siding against voters interested in human sustainability, and pro oil extortionist conservatives bent on climate and human destruction is not a good EV marketing strategy. I have an MBA... AMA

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Also doing a nazi salute in front of thousands of people with full blown media coverage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

WWII might be a distant memory for Americans, but most of Europeans have been to historical sites of Jewish genocide.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Its investment in the Cybertruck is of no help in the region, as the steel-clad pickup truck is too large and heavy for use with a normal driver's license and does not conform to road legality regulations.

I was not aware of this. Further reasons to laugh at Musk are always welcome!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 15 hours ago (10 children)

Anyone driving anything close to a pickup here is a knob. Ford Rangers or Raptors are for men whos wives dress them.

Hilux was acceptable but they are in the same boat now, you all look ridiculous.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Let's see how big of a mouth you run when i pull up in my ranger plastered with punisher skulls you beta 😎😎 ~jkdon'tbullymepls~

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

They have there place, but they are in the same boat as vans etc. They are commercial vehicles, to do a job, not city runabouts to stroke egos.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago

This metal blob goes against so many safety regulations in Europe, it is basically unfixable. And even then you would need a truckers licence to drive it, like the ones for big commercial trucks.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah technically it's a HGV, and you need an HGV license in order to be able to drive it.

Although apparently the other problem is that it has red indicators, because in the US they don't have separate lights for brakes and indicators they just flash the brake light.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Most cars have yellow lights for indicators and red for brakes. Even for the US having red indicators is at least uncommon.

[–] dubyakay 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

No it's not. I see red turning indicators waaay more often than yellow ones.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You live somewhere with a lot of trucks? Most cars and suvs have separate ones, i don't remember the last time I saw a red indicator other than on a semi. I see a lot of people not bother to indicate but the yellow or orange is there.

[–] dubyakay 1 points 10 hours ago

Montreal but also lived in Toronto for four years. It's red blinkers everywhere, annoying as heck.

Not that many trucks, I guess. Are we talking about trucks only? I might be wrong then. Mostly crossover SUVs.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 101 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (10 children)

Gimme cheap, simple and reliable EV with guaranteed 200km range and I'm sold. I don't need bazillion of cameras inside and out, I don't need glass roof, I don't need 200kW of ridiculous power I would never use, I don't need always online maps for a subscription fee and I don't need 20" infotainment, neither I need 3 zone AC with ventilated seats and ballsack massage device, etc. I just want a Dacia of EV market.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

VW E-Up is cheap and really good

[–] [email protected] 29 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Microlino, Fiat panda grande, Renault 5, Citroën Ami and others. The smaller and more affordable versions are getting there.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

There’s a little blue Honda EV I see at work. Looks smart as.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Any of those in the US market?

I've only seen Rivians and Teslas in my parts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

There's a lot more, but they don't stand out. Look at cars that don't have a radiator and if course a tailpipe.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

You've probably seen a lot more electric vehicles than you realize. Almost every big manufacturer has them in their lineups at this point, just most of them are looking more and more conventional.

Take a look at the Honda Prologue, the Toyota BZ4X, the Kia Niro EV6 or EV9, VW ID.4, Hyundai Ioniq line and Kona, Ford Mach E, Chevy Equinox EV or Blazer EV.

There's also EV versions the F150, Chevy Silverado, and Hummer. Supposedly RAM will have an EV truck soon, too.

Granted there are fewer compact sizes than in European markets, but that's true of all vehicles, regardless of powertrain

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago

The fiat 500 e fits all that and it’s a delight to drive.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (6 children)

Coincidentlaly, throwing all this junk out makes EV's significantly lighter. And theoretically cheaper.

They kinda suffer from "the tyranny of the rocket equation" since so much of their mass is "fuel." Make it lighter, and they need less battery for the same range, which means you need even less battery to carry that battery around, lighter motors, less chassis and suspension weight for that, which removes even more battery, and so on.

This is not the case with combustion cars, where much of the engine's mass is fixed and gasoline takes up little weight.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Honestly people would have to be basically mad to buy tesla now, same with twitter etc.

I sympathise with people who starlink is the only option but yeah I'd rather go without.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I recently bought a camper van and was planning on getting starlink so I can work from the road (not full time). I guess I'll have to make sure I'm not off the beaten path on work days and stick to Hotspot.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago

This is the way. I wish more people would accept what is quite literally only minor inconvenience in the name of starving these insane companies. We honestly have it so good in most of modern society, and some things are just totally optional imo.

Thanks

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 13 hours ago

Is the manbaby gonna sue every European for not buying his shitass cars now?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago (21 children)

"Europe and the UK" did they move the UK to another continent, or did they mean the EU?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

You know exactly what was meant.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

The UK is technically on a few islands, one can use Gibraltar to argue, of course, and historically English crown did possess lots of land in Normandy, Anjou, Aquitaine and even Flanders, also that union with Hannover, but ahem.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 18 hours ago

Let’s get to 95% down in Q1 of 2025.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago

Teslas are shitware. Only an oligarchy like ~~Russia~~ US could produce absolute trash like that and still sell it because everyone has to play ball.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

Tusk should take a lesson from Volkswagen

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Tusk?

What does Tusk have to with this?

I assume that's a nickname for "musk" and you did not mean the polish premier?

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