Oh wow, the same sentence for killing the cop that's going to bust you, how delightful.
this post was submitted on 12 Feb 2025
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Can the cost for imprisoning them come out of his pocket and not mine?
How many people does alcohol kill per year, Pierre?
Remarkably hard to track down actually compared to the easy opioid numbers.
Perhaps the human situation, healthcare, and economic costs are more complex.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1470018/deaths-attributed-to-alcohol-use-canada/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1450104/economic-cost-of-various-substance-use-in-canada/
I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to imprison alcoholics either
This guy has too much free time.
Of course he does. He's never had a real job.
I think if the policy specifically targets people pushing and selling fentanyl, I agree those people do deserve to be in prison.
The vast majority of people using it don't even know they are using it, it's been laced into drugs they buy
I agree that the "drug kingpins" do deserve to be locked up.
Problem though: a lot of them are tightly interwoven with the pharmaceutical corporations, so you're kinda calling for checks notes pharma ceos to get jail time, Pierre.
And I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that's not what you meant.
“There are always hand-to-hand transactions, from dealers to drug users to other drug users. It’s a constant exchange in the Downtown Eastside. It’s pretty common for people to pool their money to buy from a dealer and then those drugs get distributed.”
These hand-to-hand exchanges constitute trafficking, which would — under the proposed policy — subject every habitual fentanyl user to a punishment of life in prison
The article explains how the users are often also selling, and I disagree that those people (who are "redistributing") should be in jail, specifically for life.
The legislation would need to differentiate between redistributors who are users and like big, idk the term, wholesale drug dealers? But under PP's plan, anyone with 40 mg (according to the article that's less than half a baby aspirin) would go to jail for life for that.
It just doesn't make sense to me to jail drug users, even if they're just selling amongst themselves, and especially not for life where we have to pay for them in taxes.
according to the article that’s less than half a baby aspirin
It's also the equivalent of 20 to 40 entire doses
One dose of fentanyl laced in other drugs is usually less than a single grain of sand
So 40mg is a fuck tonne of fentanyl to have on hand.
Usually users don't carry pure fentanyl around, it's already been laced into other drugs, so they maybe have a couple mg total on hand even for multiple peoples worth.
40mg is like an entire box of laced pills.
you don't fix that issue by jailing people anyways, but by making all substance use legal
Jailing people who lace drugs with fentanyl is reasonable, and people that aid in the distribution of laced drugs with it.
I dont think people who take the drugs deserve punishment, but the people pushing the drugs do.
The odds of someone having a whole fuckin 40mg of fentanyl on hand and not be involved in the drug pushing is very low, people dont realize that you dont move it around like that.
A person would be in possession of like an entire fuckin pack of pills to have that much, because there's like maybe tops 1mg per pill.
Pierre is cheering for this degree of being divorced from the reality of marginalized people. maybe don't victim blame substance users? most of the supply gets contaminated by the cartels. it's really simple, if you wanna fix that, you replace the dangerous supply with a safe supply and free drug testing centers
Read what I've written.
I strongly doubt normal users and addicts are carrying more than 6mg on hand at any time.
40mg is an enture fuckin house party's worth of fent usually, because nearly always it's laced with other drugs.
So each dose is about 1mg or so
2mg is a lethal dose for most users... 40mg is enough to kill 20 people >_>;
why are you such a party pooper? who cares how much someone owns? you're equating potential of overdose with probability of harm being enacted. this is all a theory you made up in your mind
why are you such a party pooper?
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There was a total of 49,105 apparent opioid toxicity deaths reported between January 2016 and June 2024
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Of all accidental apparent opioid toxicity deaths so far in 2024 (January to June), 79% involved fentanyl
This shit is super hyper fucking lethal, and the people who move it around and push it need to be locked up
However, I've spent the last couple hours looking info up on this and it seems there us a growing trend of people, as crazy as it sounds, shooting up and smoking pure fentanyl.
And due to its much shorter duration, people build a tolerance way faster and, indeed, there's reports of people doing entire doses of dozens of mg in a single hit
Which is absolutely mind boggling to me tbh.
But yeah I guess there really are people walking around with that much in their pocket.
The thing that's tough is, how do you seperate between 1 person who has 40mg, lacing it in 40 pills to sell at a club (which could potentially kill people), vs 1 person who has 120mg which will only last them literally the day by themself.
Legally that is, in terms of possession charges.
you don't separate them because that's how you end up perpetuating the war on drugs ideology and because most resellers don't lace their products.
I'm going back to my first comment again, if drug testing centers were free and accessible, there would be a repository of trusted sellers based on their purity results
I know for someone who is not used to fentanyl, a very very low dose can kill them, but again:
As harm reduction advocate Zoë Dodd noted, fentanyl is generally sold on the streets in 100-milligram increments.
“If you’re talking about Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside, fentanyl users are using a quarter gram [250 milligrams] or more a day,” according to Guy Felicella, a harm reduction and recovery advocate.
Unless I'm misunderstanding the article here, they're talking about people who carry a SHITLOAD of fentanyl for personal use.
That sounds insane, I'm having trouble believing someone is using 125x the lethal dose of fent a day, that sounds inhuman.
No reason to do this "meet in the middle" shit, they're not interested. Pierre and people like him want to make people suffer. The cruelty is the point. They will never support a policy that doesn't involve cruelty and suffering.
Good: Article title is accurate
Bad: Why is the author deliberately comparing the mass of two vastly different drugs?
Under Poilievre’s plan, “anyone caught trafficking, producing, or exporting over 40 mg of fentanyl” would receive a mandatory life sentence in prison.
This 40-milligram threshold is a mere 1.6 per cent of the 2.5 grams that someone can possess under British Columbia’s decriminalization pilot project. For context, 40 milligrams is less than half of a typical baby Aspirin tablet.
For reference, 40 milligrams of Aspirin is safe for a baby. Without building up tolerance, even 2-3 milligrams of fentanyl can kill a full grown adult.
Because they are providing context on quantities not how lethal it is.
40mg of fentanyl is 1.6% of the 2.5 grams allowed in BC. For those wondering what 40mg physically looks like (for context), it's about half the size of a .
If they had said 0.00000001 football fields, they weren't comparing the lethality of football fields to fentanyl.
In the context of fentanyl, isn't that completely irrelevant? So 5mg of fentanyl is 1/8 the mass of a tablet of baby aspirin. Now what?
I completely understand the aim is to illustrate how arbitrary outlawing possession of 40mg would be. I'm aware of the implications and I agree. But comparing fentanyl to baby aspirin generally doesn't make sense and especially not in terms of mass or concentration.
I agree it's pretty irrelevant to the fentanyl problem, but it's a good way for people to estimate how much 40mg is. I think they meant a similar mass in this case. 40 mg of fentanyl is not necessarily 40mg of aspirin, but 40mg of fentanyl is the size of half a tablet. You see this all the time especially in the US, again with football fields or something like "which equates to about 3 large elephants". Nobody know what that means but it gives some picture.
I'd completely agree with you if they said "less than half a tablet of aspirin worth of fentanyl can kill you", but they are only showing what 40 mg looks like and not what it takes to harm someone. Harm is not in this article (or i missed it). The point about 40mg being arbitrary is made later in the article, where they say it's often sold in 100mg doses so it's just a trick to get everyone.
Not saying youre wrong, just saying how I perceived it.
Yeah, I get that. I read the article. But knowing that aspirin has a greater mass than fentanyl has no purpose, it's not useful information. It's not relevant to anything at all, so it's just strange to mention.
It's like saying 40mg of a banana would fit on the head of a pin to emphasize the point instead of using baby aspirin... yes, that's a very small amount, but it doesn't really provide additional context (other than to force someone to realize, "wow, things that weigh the same can do different things?!") since it's so obvious.
Wow. I mean, they aren't saying it had greater mass, it's giving a visual reference for the quantity....
The fuck is he wearing?
Does this include drugs like opioids and alcohol?