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[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a rush toward re-nuclearization after these last couple years.

What are the odds Ukraine would be invaded by Russia if they had nukes?

Would Trump be joking about making Canada a 51st state if they had nukes?

Trump and the rest of the American government is showing NATO and every other country that we're one election away from abandoning our promises to our allies. Nobody can be trusted.

Any country would be a fool to consider giving up their nukes after seeing the shitshow.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Since this actually sounds like a good decision... Over/under on Trump promising to double the amount of nukes and turn China into a nuclear wasteland unless they do something for him, by the end of next week?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

I don’t know gambling metrics and terminology, so I’ll just answer “yes.”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

So what's gonna happen when a finger on the monkey's paw curls for this?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

As much as I hate it, the doctrine of mutual destruction seems to work. The removal of it might lead to immediate hot world war

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Everyone's perspective is the same on Lemmy it seems or close and its getting old so much snide comments and negativity. We all should consider this a win regardless of how goofy any side is, its the thought that this approach is reaching the decision makers. Planting the seed.

I think this is likely one of the smartest things Trump has ever persued if it comes to fruition even partially a mere slither. The modern battlefield is fought with technology. Using drones/robots and infosec psyop and the list goes on and on.

Conventional war has more risk than worth now days leaves nothing but a pile of rocks nothing to claim but dirt.

While I don't think anyone will give them up soon sure even bad actors will hodl old means eventually the value prop and cost to maintain will sputter out, we all should know we have been heading that direction for a very long time. Progress no matter how small is a step in the right direction.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

You can trust Lemmy for serious and well informed political analysis!

But seriously though,I agree with you. Lemmy doesn't seem to have heard of SALT treaties and act as though there is no precedence. While not perfect, it is better than nothing.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago

I refuse to believe trump will do anything decent like this

[–] [email protected] 16 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

USA have absolutely abysmal records of upholding nuclear disarmament so IF it is even a serious proposition, the reason for it it's the quickly incoming time when Minutemen missiles will have to be decomissioned while its replacement is so much overbudget and overtime that it seriously risk scrapping of entire project. Meaning the perspective USA will lose main part of its strategic armament is real.

Also you never, ever trust USA on any nuclear deals.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Also let's not forget that the US is literally hiring Elon Musk to help then "win" the nuclear war, their words not mine.

How anyone can think their denuclearization proposal is in good faith is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago (15 children)

Denuclearization is a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Yes it's a good thing, but the US is utterly devoid of honour and trustworthiness and there's no chance they will actually follow through with denuclearizing their own arsenal, so this proposal is meaningless and no country should take it seriously.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

True. The US is the only country that ever used them and the only country where politicians regularly threaten to use them. Somehow though they get to act as if they are the only ones that can be trusted with them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It is nominally a good thing. In the real world, however, I'd be working as hard as possible to ensure I had a nuclear program to discourage specifically Donald, Putin, and Elon

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Those three aren't as bad as Netanyahu and he too has nuclear weapons.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

What he actually wants is denuclearization for only China and Russia so the US can use its unchecked nuclear force to threaten the world.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

I was gonna make a joke about this being the thing that finally makes Democrats fight Trump... But then I saw all the pro-nuke .world comments. We're so cooked

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Looking at these comments: so now liberals love nuclear weapons?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Americans are ruled by a politics of opposition. Anything Trump does, the opposite must be good. Anything Biden does, the opposite must be good. Nobody thinks about anything from scratch.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I'll believe it when I see it. Military spending increased in his first term and talk is cheap.

If he actually followed through on cutting the military budget by half, it'd be an incredible move and I'd start considering him the lesser evil. But it's all for show, it's triangulation to appeal to certain groups. End of the day, he's a right winger and right wingers won't cut the military.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

Idiots thought can fool the other 2. 🤣

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Denuclearizing worked out so well for Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Nukes wouldn't have saved them from being couped

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Having less nukes is not the same as disarmament it's not even comparable. They dropped two nukes and did that much destruction in Japan, 2, and those were 1940s nukes, even with this change the US would still have thousands of nukes.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-many-nuclear-weapons-exist-and-who-has-them/

the United States admits to having 5,550

Ukraine went to 0 nukes, the US has 5000+ nukes, how would that even be comparable if the US let's say went down to 1000 nukes. That's still 1000 nukes more than 0.

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