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This always infuriates me. If your employees need tips to get paid enough, they're just paid too little. Don't bash the customer, bash the boss! I worked in hospitality for years and tips are purely to show gratitude for better than expected service. If you think differently about this, then you're just brainwashed
Custom 0% it’s quite simple.
tf is soso
That's wild. If we go out for a meal (UK) we'll just leave whatever change we have on the table or hand it to the waitress that served us, maybe 5 to 10 quid. If they try to make it a part of the payment, they'll get nothing.
That's because the UK has stronger wage protections than the US. Here the Federal minimum wage for "tipped positions," which are their own special category, is only $2.13 per hour. The management literally expects you, the customer, to make up for their payroll shortfall.
Related fun fact: The reason the US (still) has such a tipping culture at all is, as usual, the result of post-slavery racism when business owners flat out refused to actually pay any of their newly freed black employees, and instead demanded their customers to do it for them. For those positions, tips were the only way those people got paid.
So yes, US business owners would absolutely force their employees to work for no pay if they could get away with it.
I live in a state where our servers make state minimum wage. 16+ dollars an hour. They still ask for tips. So the fed minimum doesn’t really change anything in making up the payroll shortfall.
Correct. And anybody who states the federal minimum wage as $2.13 is lying.
In every state, you will make whatever the state's minimum wage is. The employer in many states can discount that wage down to whatever the tipped minimum wage is.
Let's assume a restaurant that only ever seats individuals and only sells one item. That item costs 10$. Let's also assume the worst... that the normal tip is 10%.
So if you work in AZ and work a full 8 hour shift.
8*14.70 = 117.6. This is your minimum wage that you can walk away from that shift with. (let's ignore taxes for the moment). Let's start looking at how many tables you'd serve in a reasonable shift. When I was working in restaurants as a teenager, I was handling ~4 tables /hr average. So lets assume lower, at 3 tables. If a restaurant cannot give wait staff 3 tables an hour, something is wrong with the restaurant itself or management.
811.70 + (83)(101*.1) = $117.6, $0 over the minimum wage. However you busted your ass and this probably doesn't feel "worth" it. Actual wage of $14.70/hr
Except reality is that most tables are probably on average going to be 2 people... and 20% is much more customary at this point. 811.70 + (83)(102*.2) = $189.6, $72 over what you'd get on minimum wage alone. Actual wage of $23.7/hr. Which is respectable.
Let's take a much "worse" state in AR. Same calcs...
811.00 = $88. 82.63 + (83)(101.1) = $45.04... Oh no! Less than the state minimum wage... Except that's not possible. The restaurant must cover the difference. You will leave with $11/hr 82.63 + (83)(102*.2) = $117.04. Actual wage of $14.63/hr
Now keep in mind we were working with a fictitious case where food was only $10/plate. And no drinks or anything like that. The numbers go up substantially if we put more real figures into the equation. At a more reasonable 4 tables an hour... and 15-20$ per plate, drinks, and 20-25% tipping... etc... the numbers go up significantly.
A real world case for a family of 4. $150 check for the table. 18% tip is $27. We were there for 40 minutes. Assuming the waiter had NO OTHER TABLES the entire day. He would have made $15.08/hr. My one tip alone put him over the minimum wage for AZ for the whole day... He had 2 other tables while we were there, and another whole 7 other hours of work if he's pulling an 8 hour shift.
Here's the kicker though... The MAJORITY of states don't observe the federal minimums at all. And all of the more populous states with higher cost of living are in the majority.
I did research not that long ago and even though the federal minimum wage is something like $7.25, if you do a population distribution of the USA and their respective state minimum wages, you find that the actual average minimum wage for any give person in the USA is something like $11.70.
$2.13 is a lie. Tipped workers in well run restaurants tend to make so much money over minimum wage, that you rarely find wait staff that are FOR killing the tipping system. None of them want to be paid flat rate. They all want tips simply because it can bring you so far above your state's minimum wage.
Does anyone just not tip anymore if it's counter service? It does not require that much effort to take something from a glass case and give it to me.
If you're actively walking around, giving me and checking in on my meal, that's when I tip.
Full table service = tip Otherwise you’ll get nothing from me
if i have a bunch of questions and they have a bunch of answers i might tip… otherwise, never
It's an automatic $0 tip if I have 0 interaction with anyone but the cashier, that's for sure.
anymore
Never did.
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If I saw those numbers it would be cancel then shop elsewhere
lol 100% tip? Your tipping culture is so bad.
It's not just the tipping part of our culture that's bad. The entire thing is rot.
maybe a revolution would be in order. :)
I’ve never seen anything above 30% suggested anywhere in the US. This is an extreme outlier and would make even people used to our crazy tipping culture balk.
I have most definitely seen higher effective suggestions at coffee shops. I ordered a single drip coffee (~$2.50) and the suggestions were $1, $2, or $3.
Americans, your tip coulture makes the rich richer. Having labour laws and unions in place, forcing the payment of a decent minimun wage and the extinction of tip culture would transfer the responsibility to the owner.
Edit: before you say "prices woild go up" 1- you alredy pay "up". 2- He can only go so much higher before he starts to loose clients.
Now is really not the time to be nitpicking the lesser points of American culture. We're kind of dealing with an existential crisis at the moment.
I'd cancel my order and leave.
I'd hit the custom button and leave my customary 20%. If course if they gave me any shit I would never return
error. must be between 150% and 1000%
For this? I'd hit the custom button and put in $0.02, and then tell them exactly why they're getting that tip. I only get "thank you!" if I double the cost of my order? fuck off. 30% is not a "so-so" tip, that's the upper end of the best tips I give.
Tip is a recognition of an excellent service, not a right. I would pay without any tip and leave some cash on the table if the service was good (few pounds usually).
Thats europe. In north america, waiters are paid below minimum wage and the tips are supposed to make up the rest.
15% i think is still what the gov expects for wages, so in theory thats for just plain service, forcing us to either hurt the waiter or pay the fee. It's a terrible system. I prefer to not eat out at all than to cut tips, even for poor service i'll leave 10% and won't go back.
Most people who work the service industry don’t claim cash tips, but credit tips are required to be claimed due to the whole being electronic and traceable thing.
If, as a service person, most or all tips are in cash, you just claim whatever brings you to minimum wage for that pay period.
This is obviously heavily dependent upon where you work - some places want you to claim all tips (but you still don’t claim cash usually) others, especially if you make above min wage like most bartenders, don’t care.
However, if you don’t claim those tips you can’t use that as income when taking out loans and applying for housing and whatever else. So it’s fucks people over pretty regularly.
a tipped employee who does that work for years will also see shit for social security later on, as that's based on your reported and taxed earnings.
The vast majority of full service restaurant transactions are by card. Something like 80% of restaurant transactions are by card, and full service restaurants with servers are even higher.
There's not a ton of cash tips at this point, so underreporting cash tips doesn't make as big of a difference as it used to.
Your experience/statistic there is very different from my experience. It definitely depends where you are and how high-end the place is.
Place I work now, most tips are cash, by a substantial margin. Even when paying with card about half of our customers tip cash, and most transactions at this place are cash anyway. Places I worked previously were like a 50/50 split if people paid more often with cash or card, and again about a quarter of people paying card still tip cash.
Maybe because this is a low cost of living area, and everyone knows moving claims cash tips, maybe because it’s all small town stuff, idk.
This business is so out of touch. Everybody knows "so-so" means the same thing as "okay".
Fuck this place, if it’s real
I have seen this around multiple times. I really doubt that it is real. The whole working-for-tips system is messed up, thou, but the biggest I have ever seen recommended is 25%
20%
($19.00)
terrible
Come on... Not realistic at all... Why is the Custom button not transparent? Or doesn't it allow to go lower than 30%?
Nah I'd succumb easily for "good" because I strive to be a good boy
In my area a few places I regularly visit have gone to 18% tip included. When they bring you the check they say an 18% tip is already included and all you have to do is sign the check. They are not looking for anything extra. I like this. I also appreciate that the bartenders and servers at these places tell you that the tip is already included. The worst are those that automatically include a tip but never tell you and unless you read it carefully you are tipping on the food and the already included tip
In my area a few places I regularly visit have gone to 18% tip included.
Seems like it would be better to just raise the prices 18% across the board and kill "tips" all together...
Custom: 10% because you didn't put the default 15% / 18% and gave me extra work
If the lowest percentage on the screen is 20% then you get nothing even if I was planning on giving 20%