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[–] [email protected] 115 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Every time I hear someone complain about a single tiny piece of plastic on the ground or someone uses slightly more than needed cling wrap, all I can think of is the couple of warehouses I used to work in a couple jobs ago.

Everything comes on pallets wrapped in about a dozen layers of cling wrap. 8-10ft tall pallets.

Every box gets opened, the items pulled out of a large plastic bag, each item wrapped in its own plastic bag.

Those items get put in other boxes, stacked on a different pallet, and wrapped in another dozen layers of plastic wrap.

The pallets get moved to a temporary spot for a few hours, then someone comes up and curs all the wrap off. Moves the boxes onto 4 other pallets, and each of those goes to a separate forklift driver who puts them on shelves.

When the item leaves, it's placed in plastic bags, then a box, then goes on a pallet that gers wrapped in a dozen layers of plastic wrap. Onto the truck for shipping elsewhere.

They have a truck that comes twice a day to replace a shipping container filled with plastic.

So much plastic, every day, all day, they only close for Christmas and 4th of July.

Am I still going to use anything but plastic wherever possible? Sure. Am I still going to pick up that piece of plastic and put it in the recycling bin? Absolutely.

Companies suck and will blame you for their shitty treatment just like every abuser does.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

You're exactly correct. I used to work in a manufacturing environment, and the amount of single-use plastic our production team used on a daily basis was staggering. I would estimate that company created as much plastic waste in one day as my household did in three months.

Consumer recycling or boycotts is only a drop in the bucket. Industry will have to shift away from single-use plastic if we're going to have any chance of saving ourselves from a future filled with generations worth of garbage.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Keep in mind, plastic is everywhere partly because it's a petroleum byproduct.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yes, you can recycle plastic. Yes, its complex due to different types and grades of it. The only responsibility of the consumer is to put it into the right bin.

Yes, the corporations creating plastic products should do more. It doesn't have to be financially feasible to recycle it, It needs to be ecologically feasible and companies producing plastic products should pay the recycling toll.

We can also just burn it for energy like we do with tires... I recycle it like a good little cog in the machine because even if 5% of it gets back into product and not into my penis, is a win.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We need to make it financially feasible to properly recycle plastics by making it so damn expensive for companies to be wasteful with plastics. Among many other things, of course.

I doubt it will happen in our lifetimes, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

The true long term solution is eliminating plastic. Back in the iron age there were glass bottles used to distribute milk and they were returned to be used again. Of course this system is more complicated and expensive than trucking in oil and turning it into single use containers so it'll never happen before the world is burned.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

95% of microplastics going to your penis is considered a win?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If your erection lasts longer than 400 years please seek medical attention

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

I take 95 over 100 but if you want a plastic dick, have at it haha

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I need to clean it to a concerning degree as well or risk being fined.

Also, where do those burned plastic fumes go after being burned also matter and I'm not confident they're not just being sent straight back to my lungs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

I don't have a problem with cleaning tbh. It's not required here but I just feel icky if I put a yogurt stained container into the bin.

With burning, it must be done at very high temperatures to ensure the resulting gasses get burned as well. Here I generally ment collect plastic and send it to a facility which has furnaces which can accommodate this kind of waste (like rubber tires).

[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago

Me rinsing the yogurt container before putting it in the recycling bin vs reading that a Belgian airline had 3000 empty flights just to keep airport slots

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/brussels-airlines-empty-flights-lufthansa-b1987187.html

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

One of the many other problems with recycling besides this tidbit, is the fact that most people don't even follow the first two instructions before recycling. Nobody reuses anything and nobody has reduced their consumption.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

I'm always reminded of the iCarly episode about recycling.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's a bulk food store near me and it allows BYO containers (or you can use one of their compostable bags). It's great! A little bit more work (you need to tare your/container write down the empty weight), but you get your goods in the container of your choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

That would be a zero waste store, there are a few of those around. To find one, this website has an overly generous list of such stores in the United States. Many of the stores listed are not actually zero waste stores though (i.e. Natural Pantry). So for those who want to use that list to find a zero-waste store, it is important to note the stores near them and go to them one by one (or look them up) to see if they are zero-waste and what they offer. If a suitable store is found, then some groceries can be bought without disposable packaging.

This does come at a price, though. The store I use has prices that are, on average, about 3 times higher per unit weight than the bargain brand at a regular store. I can afford that, and for some consumers an organic/local/premium/etc. quality is worth it, but many people cannot afford it. The current system of excessive single-use packaging is unfortunately very labor-efficient (which is why it was adopted in the first place), and that shows in the prices.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I used to recycle, then I moved out on my own and found out I have to pay extra for it.

Should be paid for by these corporations, imo.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Recycling is chemically possible at very high temperatures and pressures; it's just energy intensive and wasn't financially feasible until just about now, when solar energy can offer cheap energy.

We'll see how this will develop in the future. For the point of oil consumption (and therefore CO2 emission), plastics is only like 3% of oil consumption anyways (other 97% is fuel for vehicles). For the point of pollution, you don't need recycling, just collecting and combusting at high temperatures (to fully oxydize it and not leave any toxic fumes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 days ago

We recently built a plastic recycling facility here in sweden which recycles.. 12 types of plastic i think? several of which were basically not possible before.

so yeah it's definitely possible to recycle plastics, countries have just been refusing to actually take measures to make it happen.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (8 children)
[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For the harm that's already been done? Time.

For the future? Regulation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Regulation

that's extremely vague, what does the regulation do? Does it limit types of plastic? Uses of plastic? Production quantities? Waste allocations?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I'm not a plastic or environmental specialist, so I can't say. Surely you don't expect me to know all the answers, do you? Come on, now.

I'd think regulation would encompass all the things you mentioned, possibly more like subsidizing the use of non-plastics in industrial applications, for example.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

that's extremely vague, what does the regulation do? Does it limit types of plastic?

Yes

Uses of plastic?

Yes

Production quantities?

Yes

Waste allocations?

What do you mean?

Also provide subsidies to remove plastic from the environment through recovery and recycling efforts.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Get rid of them. I was very young but existed in the 70's and the grocery store did not have all the plastics and there was plenty of convenience in foods. Its amazing what glass, paper, and aluminum can do. Glass was not even recycled usually. Had a deposit added to the cost and got it back when you returned it to the store where the person supplying the item took them back and they were washed and reused. It was why bottle caps were so prevalent.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

glass was not even recycled usually

Yeah, we would reuse it (as the order implies in reduce, reuse, recycle). Recycling glass takes wayyyyyyy more energy than cleaning it. But the glass makers benefit more from access to cheap broken glass, so we get them lobbying so that glass recycling drop-off/containers almost force you to shatter every bottle you put into them...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Significant reduction in single use plastics, banning plastic use in certain products (even non-single-use), and a drastic increase in accountability for producers and consumers.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Cultural problems require cultural solutions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

For capitalism: horizontal organizing

For plastic waste: plastic-eating fungi

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

I prefer

For capitalism: capitalist-eating fungi

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

For plastic waste: plastic-eating fungi

It's going to be fun when I have to spray my computer devices with fungicides.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Better government

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Too far. Too far.

It's on now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is why I need to remember the based takes I had when I was young.

I always thought it was silly that we were told to recycle because, who could do anything with an old half-melted plastic bottle of coke? But I assumed the people who owned the companies knew something I didn't.

I still recycle because it's just the right thing to do, but... I wonder what other lies I accidentally called.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Plastic can be recycled. Adding high quality synthetic oil into poor quality plastic can completely restore it's potential for use. HOWEVER! The main and mind consuming problem with plastic: plants can't grow in microplatics. Test it out, grind up plastic, put it in a bowl, and plant a seed in it, use growth hormones, use plant food, use whatever you like. The plant will sprout and die shortly after. It will never flower. Meaning once the Earths soil becomes statistically enough microplastic particles, crops won't grow, any new plants in nature will never reach maturity. Complete decaying death of the natural world because a purified compound that is incompatible with life, has been ground up and spread all over the globe. That's the fear of microplastics. That and the long term impact on people that get exposed to high enough concentrations that plants can't grow... Likely dehydrate to death as the body won't be able to absorb micro plastic laden water. You can also test that at home, but I do not recommend drinking micro plastic heavy water to see what it might be like for your grand kids.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Got a source for that?

Because you can grow plants just fine in hydroponics. Plastic trays. Plastic tubing. Nutrient mixture. Plastic everywhere.

I think plants would grow just fine in plastic given the correct nutrients.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Life, uh, finds a way.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

But plants can grow in plastic containers in just water

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wonder if plants will evolve to deal with the increased microplastics or if there'd be a way to filter it out of soil. Life is always adapting. The most obvious solution is to quit manufacturing plastic but that's looking increasingly unlikely.

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