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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

Sounds pretty communist to me

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

Reverse the kremlin playbook:

Talk to conservatives and be like: "Both side are the same, I'm voting Libertarian"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

There is no need to swing Trump voters over.

There are more citizens who did not vote at all who can be engaged with and energized - because these policies are going to fuck them too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

We need to pretend to be conservative and be like: "I VOTED TRUMP AND HE DID NOTHING FOR ME, BOTH SIDE ARE THE SAME, I'M VOTING LIBERTARIAN 😡😡😡"

If half of conservatives voted a third party candidate, it would splinter the republican party.

Aka: the Reverse Kremlin stretegy

[–] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago

One danger, though: Trump’s campaign managers will try to swing them as well.

I am hopeful! But it will be a fight.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 14 hours ago

They are trash people who are lost causes

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Believe it or not, there are already MAGA people pissed at him in hard red states/districts.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 13 hours ago

Yep, and they'll vote every Republican in again next time regardless.

99/100 of em are lost causes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

Ah yes, the "Pity me, I didn't get mine" crowd.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If only they agreed that Social Security, Universal Healthcare and just being nice to each other is better for everyone.

If we try to increase the quality of life for everyone, we'll have a better world.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago

Some people can't be happy unless they're constantly angry about the people they were told to hate.

We call them gammons over here.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

I doubt it will be noticeable overnight, but at least some of his supporters will be pushed into a degree of impoverishment that inhibits political engagement.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

They aren't engaged now. Anyone who really looks at politics beyond the talking points that are delivered by the right knows how insane the right is.

Lack of citizen engagement makes it easier to blame immigrants and trans women.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

OK, I have read some evidence that shows how when a level of impoverishment is reached, people are too preoccupied with day to day and week to week survival to bother with voting or much of any other civil engagement.

I won't waste more time on this, I'm not interested in arguing over the definition of 'disengaged'.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Isnt that what most of his voter base already is?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The fact that they voted means they are not disengaged.

Yours might have just been an offhand comment, but as it might be a genuine question I provided a brief answer.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Not every Trump voter is a die hard MAGA, a large amount just don't pay attention and vote republican out of habit because the media has told them for decades that Republicans are better for the economy or just because that is the party their parents voted for.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

Knew 2 guys that just hated Trans ppl more than anything

[–] [email protected] 81 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

It's very frustrating.

What I've seen when I bring what's happening up to family members step one is denial "oh he's not doing that" step 2 is defend "well it's probably for the best, kids do yern for the mines".

Nothing is convincing.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I remember a moment before the election in 2016. A family member was going off on a Trump worshiping rant. I asked them what they thought of all the awful things that come out of his mouth. They responded with, "Oh, he's just saying that stuff because he likes to get attention."

I quoted a passage from Luke's gospel. "The good person out of the good treasure of the heart produces good, and the evil person out of evil treasure produces evil; for it is out of the abundance of the heart that the mouth speaks."

What happened next was amazing. They kind of paused and stared at their shoes with this expression that, if I could put words to it, would have said, "Shit. He's got me there. How do I get around this one?" They then looked up, physically shrugged it off; like water off a ducks back. That stopped the rant but I knew that If they had to choose between Jesus and this particular version of the anti-christ, their choice was already made and it wasn't Jesus.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 19 hours ago

I've been there friend. It is not a fun experience but it was very enlightening. Someday they may see it but it is terrifying to understand how willingly ignorant some of us choose to be.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Stages of grief. Most are just getting to denial.

My 90 year old grandma has moved onto bargaining. She's trying to write a letter to DJT to "warn him about Musk"

Not bad progress, considering I couldn't get her to budge at all over the past decade.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago

That's kind of adorable.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It doesn't help that they have literally been programmed by right and far right propaganda that only influences and reinforces that mentality of "unity".

[–] [email protected] 15 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

the media titans know what they're doing

[–] [email protected] 15 points 21 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

I’m a member of a lot of hiking communities on FB. Prior to Trump second presidency, they would blame any kind of problems related to insufficient budgeting to “ sending all money to Ukraine”. Now that he’s the president, and is BLATANTLY cutting budgets to national parks and forests, I see his supporters say “ it’s too bad we donated so much money to the national parks of Ukraine” or “ if Biden did this, you wouldn’t be complaining”, or some version of “ this is necessary, nothing really changed”.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

It's also defending the cult leader mentality. Breaking with the cult puts you on the outside, and an enemy of the cult. Breaking free of a cult isn't easy when the cult's actions are constantly being reinforced and regurgitated by their leader and his media disinformation networks.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

I actually disagree.

There is a tipping point when MAGA followers are forced into situations where they must rely on their neighbour and mutual aid. They'll be forced out of necessity to interact with people across the aisle who are giving them compassion.

You're already seeing republicans flipping before that point from the DOGE cuts. Also, the governor of Kentucky is already flipping after their largest purchaser by a long-shot, Canada, took all their booze off the shelves.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

I think this overlooks how most MAGAs are rural.. and when you live rural you already rely on your neighbors. Most of which are also white and the exceptions are ""one of the good ones."" It's why they can demonize entire demographics and still feeling like a good person since they're good neighbors.

They're not going to stop blaming 'the others' for hardships.. They're just going increase complaints about 'the government' and how much they pay in taxes.

I grew up in Amish country/farmland and it's painful to see how stagnant my family has been over the years.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago

The question is, will I have reached a breaking point where I will no longer be willing to help them?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

There is a tipping point when MAGA followers are forced into situations where they must rely on their neighbour and mutual aid.

By the time we reach that point, there won't be an aisle. There won't be a government.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

Doubt (x) seeing as he was elected twice, they won't ever learn it will always be the "other guys" politician's fault

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

This is starting to sound a lot like the typical Russian mentality.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Russia's biggest export atm.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Social identity. Hardship together. This is no joke.

I just FaceTimed with a MAGA this week as they industriously cooked a weeks worth of food to freeze. This is an individual who traditionally only defrosts processed crap on baking sheets, despises leftovers, and grocery shops every 1-3 days rather than storing food.

Not this week. Now they’re all about unprocessed foods, cooking to save money, and meal planning in advance. A 180 shift from a week ago. In addition, they’re starting a pantry.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

That's the rough part a lot of Americans need to swallow: MAGA is full of disenfranchised people that would otherwise organize in solidarity for the common good of the working class.

There's just been so many wedges and fences built up from the Cold War that the ruling class has been able to deflect and distract from progressive policy and maintain power.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

Try the Civil War

[–] [email protected] 35 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You're talking about babies who couldn't wear a mask during COVID. They have no sense of struggle and no toleration for hardship

[–] Kichae 15 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

They also had their god emperor refusing to wear masks, and political leaders openly denying the disease.

They had support for their grievences.

They won't get that over the economy. Instead, they're getting "this is necessary" and "you'll just have to make some sacrifices for the economy".

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

To add, many Nazis were unrepentant.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago

And life for most Germans turned shitty really fast, with wages dropping to depression levels with a lot more work hours.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 21 hours ago

Even more so if it hurts the ones they hate even more. If they lose their job but see five children deported, they probably see it as a win.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 18 hours ago

It's the same playbook as foreign sanctions elsewhere.

The Assads, Kims, and Putins of the world can get their people to rally into a "bunker mentality" which helps prop up their regimes as a grand and noble struggle.

Trump has brought the same energy home. And history shows you can milk it for decades or generations even before something essential craxks.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 23 hours ago

Struggle is a key part of propaganda and cult of personality, all for the "better good". And if they already are this far, they will keep going

[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago

... until THEY lose their job to the Trumpcession.

Difference is that Trump Term 1 didn't really impose a cost on them directly. And so far, the idea of hardship sounds alright.

But when they are dumped to the curb at age 66 with social security cuts, half the 401k they thought they had, and even Walmart ain't hiring...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

They need to be eaten by the leopards...

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