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[–] rbesfe 2 points 17 minutes ago* (last edited 16 minutes ago)

If anyone wants some good rage material, watch the Pod Save America interview with Harris staffers

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago

She was elected, not appointed. She could say and do what she wanted and theres not much Biden could have done about it.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 hours ago

She is her own person and has to live with the consequences of her choices like everybody else. It's all in the past now and just a footnote in history.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I am wondering if the mods of [email protected] and [email protected] regret censoring the people who rightfully said these things and it would cost us the election. Like there's mods in here who go "yeah that sucks, I knew it." but also just defended Biden/Harris and removed good faith users who posted citations that even their beloved Media Bias Bot said was a good source.

They did it, banned the people who said it, and then people went "where are all those critics now? i guess putin turned them off! hurr hurr haw haw!"

Genuinely wonder if they question their choices of just doing this for free with literally zero benefit to their website and the country as a whole.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly this behavior is going to keep getting highlighted from Biden because he was an absolute stubborn idiot. He had polling showing him losing to Trump with over 400 electoral votes for MONTHS before dropping out. He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did, obviously it was him or what was left of him.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 7 hours ago

History will not look kindly on Biden for fucking over his one job of stopping Trump. Didn't arrest him, didn't defeat him, didn't stop most of the Jan 6 protestors, didn't go after the enablers of his actions, didn't really stop anything Trump did to avoid debt and jail and we ended up with him for Round 2, Even Worse This Time.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

He blamed his family for staying in as long as he did

Real ted cruz moment, that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

WDYM "let"? What was he gonna do? Sniff her?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

He probably said something vague about decorum.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

If you run into Biden can you let him know I decorumed his mom last night?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

His legacy is in the toilet so congratulations advisors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

I feel like blaming her loss on others takes away her agency. Seems sexist to me. We dont reassign blame like this with male failed candidates, but with Hillary and Harris everyone wants to paint them as purely victims.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 16 minutes ago

They were both extremely bad candidates who should not have been in a position to run. If the party had been allowed to speak they would not have been allowed to run.

They weren't really candidates that failed on their own merits, they were set up to fail by being put into a position they should never have been in.

Neither Hillary nor Kamala could have won a primary that wasn't rigged in their favor. Since they didn't get to their position as candidate based on their own merits, it's reasonable to describe their failure in similar terms.

That said, there is such a thing as more than 100% blame, and this is a situation where A lot of people have a lot of blame. Those two women are 100% responsible for the stupid decisions they made. No one can take that failure away from them, but because of the nature of the mistake, there were a lot more people who should also be blamed and similarly excommunicated from politics.

There are elements of sexism here, but that's just endemic to politics. They didn't fail because of sexism, they got to where they were because of it and were set up to fail by it, but there are a lot of problems here beyond and before sexism.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Sounds like an excuse. She could've had a different stance but didn't. Because she's the same thing. She was asked point blank how she's any different than Biden and she couldn't answer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 56 minutes ago

Harris couldn't answer basic policy questions when she was running for president in 2020 either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

she's setting up for 2028. assuming we have elections

[–] rbesfe 1 points 11 minutes ago

After an L like this, I don't think Harris makes it to the 2nd primary debate

[–] [email protected] 62 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

It's ridiculous to think that Harris couldn't have done what she wanted. Once you're named the nominee, that's it. They're not going to back out.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If she was unwilling to break from him because of his wishes, even if she was theoretically able, that speaks volumes about her as a leader.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago

If she runs again, we lose again.

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[–] [email protected] 145 points 18 hours ago (5 children)

Let's blame Joe so Kamala can run again.

Not fooling me, DNC. I smell what you're cooking.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

She's free to run again, but this time she has to win the primary. And that's unlikely. It's rare in modern times for someone to lose a Presidential election and get another shot at it, Nixon and Trump are the only two in over a hundred years.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 13 hours ago

You seem to forget what they did to sanders. If they want a specific candidate they will make sure they win.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

I want to tell myself that there's no way in hell they would let this happen, let alone make it happen.

Then I remember it's the DNC.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It’s not like they colluded to kneecap Bernie’s campaign. Wait…

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The way democrats talk: "We're turning the page and letting the daylight in!"

The way democrats act with a majority: "We couldn't get any daylight this time, but we did pass these bipartisan flashlights which are known to explode occasionally due to republicans demanding amendments be added to the batteries."

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 15 hours ago

Suddenly her campaign choices make a lot more sense...

[–] [email protected] 107 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

To be honest, this is just a signal that she probably wouldn't have been a good leader. Better than Trump, sure, but that bar is so low it's a tripping hazard.

She should have told Biden to pound sand after locking up the nomination.

But we should verify the claim before passing judgement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

If I was kamala I would have slammed joe. For the good of the country, of course.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

I think the best move would have been a substantial but firm and respectful break was the way to go forward.

If Kamala pushes back too hard against Joe, the establishment will question whether she grateful for his support and the opportunity he provided.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Honestly, I kinda don't buy the idea Biden controlled Harris. Biden could have in 2008, but not in 2024. We all saw his term. He could be great, but when he slowed and floundered, it hampered his goals.

I'm torn between:

"I don't think an adult woman would instantly bind herself to an old man, she can have bad ideas on her own."

"I don't think she had everything planned out, she took advice from those around her, and the advice was shit but it's hard to get anything from outside this POV without getting even worse feedback."

But either way, I'm kind of glad that parts of the DNC is admitting fault after royally fucking up a second time and giving us Trump again. But I was also told they learned mistakes from 2016, and clearly they didn't, and must have fired everyone who did.

I wish Harris won merely as a stop-gap who is younger and more coherent, maybe could have gotten someone better next primary. Would have been messy and I would prefer anyone else, but not as bad. But it wouldn't have stopped the fascist uprising we're having, just keeping the cyst growing until it popped. If Biden didn't get Trump arrested, I doubt Harris would have, despite her history.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

we're never going to see an end to the risk of fascism until we end capitalism, and it's as simple as that.

money is power, and if corporations and individuals can hoard wealth infinitely, it's only a matter of time until enough of that wealth is accumulated in few enough hands for those few to use their wealth to take control of the state

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