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Canada’s largest Muslim organisation is outraged over a bill introduced by the Quebec government that would ban headscarves for school support staff and students.

“In Quebec, we made the decision that state and the religion are separate,” said Education Minister Bernard Drainville, CBC News reported. “And today, we say the public schools are separate from religion.”

But the National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM), who are challenging in the Supreme Court the original bill that forbids religious symbols being worn by teachers, say the new bill is another infringement on their rights and unfairly targets hijab-wearing Muslims.

“This renewed attack on the fundamental rights of our community is just one of several recent actions taken by this historically unpopular government to bolster their poll numbers by attacking the rights of Muslim Canadians,” the NCCM said in a social media post.

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[–] theacharnian 10 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Legault keeps "solving" problems that don't exist to try to appear more nationalistic than the PQ.

They are just pushing moral panic against Muslims to appear like they are doing something to protect QC culture. At the same the same time they have defunded french language classes. And they keep not saying anything about how the feds are consistently discriminating against African francophone potential immigrants.

There is no culture war with Muslims in actual Quebec society beyond the shit the CAQ is stirring to stay in the news. There are no armies of niqab wearing fanatics trying to take over our cities. But it costs the government nothing to push this crap. This is all shadowboxing for appearances.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (3 children)

I hope Germany will do the same. In the western world there is no room for religion in authorities and public owned institutions.

[–] dubyakay 1 points 1 hour ago

Klugscheisser. No state should dictate how someone chooses to dress themselves, whether it's a religious garb or not, as long as it doesn't infringe on the safety of others or indecency laws.

[–] MyMotherIsAHamster 1 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

So you don't think Muslim students should have the freedom to wear a hijab if they choose? Pathetic.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly I couldn't wear a hat or a beanie in school. To some its all it is but that's people who never know how serious it is to them.

The girls in my school were allowed to wear tight hair coverings. I was jerk one time about it saying it was loose and almost made her cry. They take that ultra serious. Learned my lesson right there. This will force them out of public schools and that's probably the intent.

[–] MyMotherIsAHamster 1 points 48 minutes ago (1 children)

But as you know, hijabs, turbans and yamulkes are not equal to a hat. A hat is something you put on as an accessory and can easily take off, the other three are basic tenets of those people's faith, a very different thing indeed. I believe a public school system should be staunchly secular, but to not allow someone to wear something mandated by their faith isn't secularism, it's religious oppression.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 29 minutes ago

Public school was in my mind is education for the masses free to all citizens. So wear a tiny blue cap or dress in fae outfit so long as it doesn't disturb anyone. IMO best way to help those kids? Let them be part of secular society. Once they see the freedom others have they will want it. It may not help them now but 15 years from now when they are more independent. Maybe even sooner Or maybe they'll just be less restricted with their kids. Isolating them is not the answer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

They can wear the hijab if they go to private schools and universities. If they want to go to public educational institutions, they have to comply. Germany was very liberal to people who are actively practising one religion. Then they began to make problems in many ways. For example, there was a room for religious people to pray in the university. The result was that the people fighted each other because they had different religions. The women were isolated from the men. Now there is not a room anymore. This was one of the more harmless problems.

[–] MyMotherIsAHamster 1 points 50 minutes ago

I'm an atheist and completely non-religious - but someone wearing a hijab, a turban or a yamulke in observance of their religious beliefs is frankly none of my business, and had zero effect on me. I believe in a secular public school system, but that doesn't mean oppressing someone's religious freedom.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

For Germany there is no room for Muslims in the Muslim world. Only Zionist European colonists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Cringe bro. Germany is a secular country. There is no room for relgion in authorities and public owned institutions. Article 4 GG says that all people have the freedom of practising their religion in private. If you work for an authority you have to be neutral because you represent the federal state and the federal government.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Germans genociding Muslims is pretty cringe indeed.

I do not think you understand what the word secular means.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

You really need to learn how to debate. You made yourself ridiculous with those two comments, trying to accuse Germans and Germany of genocide against Muslims and changing the subject completely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

Who is sending 30% of the weapons to the genocide in Gaza?

[–] SecurityX 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I have mixed feelings on this topic.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

Me too,

Blanket ban on all religions I'm all for.

But this doesn't stop someone secretly wearing a torcher cross under their shirt.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

By banning religious signs you do the opposite of separating religion from the state, since the state is forcing people to hide any sign that the person is from a religious group.

There is also the problem that there is thousands of religions that may have their own signs how can you known all the religion signs and ban them? Also beards can be considered a religious sign should we also ban it or require a certain beard length limit just like peoole used to measure how short a women skirt is?

I hope this don't make more visible divisions between canadian. Right know most of the separation is shiwn online.

[–] HonoredMule 13 points 1 day ago

I heard arguments about it in other spaces that made a lot of sense to me. Like a judge who ought to be able to visibly set their religion aside while exercising their authority, rather than signaling possible conflicts of interest in the very office such would compromise. I think I'm even on board with that reasoning. By that same reasoning, maybe it's appropriate to also restrict displays of religious affiliation by school staff.

But why students?

That's blatant cultural suppression and I cannot conceive a remotely coherent justification for it. And why the focus specifically on people showing their faces? Can you imagine if we mandated a certain amount of cleavage? How the fuck is this anybody's business?

This just has me re-evaluating the cultural protectionism/outgroup suppression I'd previously deemed adequately justified.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think it's a good move that Christians aren't allowed to wear crosses in public anymore. Always reminds me of pedophiles and that makes me feel uncomfortable.

[–] UnderFreyja 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

They're not, the CAQ is nothing but hypocrites on the subject. They excluded Christians symbols from the get go.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

I don't think this law bans all hijab but just the niqab which is the one that also covers the face and is generally seen as fundamentalist in most Muslim countries. The bill itself says face and not head covering. Not to say that this entire bill isn't driven by some level of xenophobia (Christian symbols and holidays are seen as heritage/culture while non-Christian ones are seen purely as religious etc)

[–] jerkface 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Christian symbols and holidays are seen as heritage/culture while non-Christian ones are seen purely as religious etc

Exactly -- these items of clothing are not even religious, they are cultural! Cultural cleansing under the cover of state secularism.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Eliminate tax free status of ALL religions. Fine and charge all public displays of religion that are outside of their own properties, be it private or congregations. So sick and tired of seeing our laws bend to include or exclude religions. It’s a wonder that after 3000 some years that the Abrahamics still have this much pull.

[–] avidamoeba 10 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The Canadian charter of rights and freedoms guarantees freedom of religion. That means freedom to worship in private or public. Unless you're planning on bending the constitution, you can't remove public display of religion in Canada.

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