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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Lots of comments complaining about restaurants not being inclusive, but it's unrealistic to expect others to bend to your needs.

I can't go to a vegan joint and get upset when they don't want to serve me a steak.

Nor can I het upset when a restaurant isn't Halal.

If you want vegan, go to a place that sells vegan food.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I'll go ahead and recommend HappyCow for anyone looking for plant-based options outside of their home community.

They have a map where people can suggest places that have vegetarian or vegan options but are mostly omnivorous, or full on vegetarian or vegan restaurants, cafes, grocery stores, food trucks, you name it. I think HappyCow the company also verifies the places people upload so it's somewhat vetted.

I find that starting with HappyCow and then cross-referencing with Google Maps or OSM gives me the best results.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (2 children)

In Italy, at “L'Isola della Pizza” in Rome, I asked the guy if I could get a pizza with salami, pepperoni, and sausage, and the guy was like “ah, American style!”

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Salami, pepperoni and sausage? What makes the first 2 not sausage and what is in your definition pure sausage?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The honest answer is this: Salami (sliced salami), pepperoni (sliced spicy salami), and sausage (pre-cooked fennel-flavored uncased/crumbled pork sausage).

In the US, “sausage” tends to generically refer to uncured, fresh, or raw sausages, often really meaning “ground meat mixed with herbs and spices sometimes in a tube or casing (but not always).”

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Americans came up with the word hot dog then decided sausage should now mostly mean loose ground pork.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Pepperoni is what gave it away

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'm a french vegetarian living in France after living 6 years in Scotland, France is years behind on the diet inclusion issue, I was shocked how difficult it was to find a place to eat out in Paris, way too many cafe/restaurant/etc.. gets defensive and refuse to serve you if you don't have the "historical diet" (whatever that means) of france, and a lot of them don't offer any "common alternative diet" options on the menu. And it's not better outside of Paris.

Then of course there are some great places that try to include everyone regardless of their diet, and they are increasing in numbers, but they are still the exception rather than the norm which is a shame.

If you ever goes in Paris and looking for a fully vegetarian classy restaurant, I recommand "Polichinelle", it's a bit on the expensive side (~50 euro/person), but it's high level cuisine, and for a special occasion it's really worth it.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Italy is just as bad with this kind of stuff, at least in my experience. I'm not even vegan or vegetarian, but I saw it happen a lot when I was there. They had the same kind of "historical diet" excuse, and I'm sitting here thinking "you fuckers didn't even get tomatoes until the 16th century and now you're acting like you invented them."

I hate food purists so much.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

If they don't have oat milk, what should've they said?

[–] epicstove 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Literally going to be flying to Paris today.

Good to know I guess lol.

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[–] [email protected] 190 points 4 days ago (8 children)

No way this is real.

The waiter would have said "Non."

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 4 days ago (69 children)

I am not a vegan but oat milk lattes are the best lattes. They are creamy, rich with flavor that's perfectly aligned w the coffee, lower in calories & more sustainable than classic dairy.

Everyone should try them once at least.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

This never happened. They would have given him a cup of black coffee and said " bro you're in France now"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

For extremely busy restaurants / cafe's where people are already waiting long periods, they probably don't want to overcomplicate things too, and increase the risk . They'd have to keep 2 different milk frothing machines, and every time a customer got sick, risk getting sued, whilst slowing down the efficiency of orders.

Whilst it might increase the number of potential customers, in practice, it might only have negatives

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The French are right. When you have fabled cuisine, lauded all over the world as the gold standard… you get resistant to change. And rightfully so.

Putain, non, is indeed the proper response to said question.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (18 children)

So France is intolerant towards lactose intolerant people and towards those with specific ethical dietary preferences. And that rightfully so! Be an asshole towards others! It's "in" these days and Paris has been known for being trendy. /s

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

French supermarkets all have very large and wide selection of "free from" style products for allergies and intolerances - gluten free, milk free. Plus vegan and vegetarian. In fact it would put most supermarkets in the US to shame. I also expect that many cafes in Paris cater for people with allergies.

So it's not that. More likely it's a surly waiter, or a tourist asking for something which is not on the menu and being upset by the answer.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lactose intolerant people can drink black coffee, non?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Yes.

If you can't drink milk, don't drink milk. Drink the coffee without the milk. Or drink water or wine or tea or whatever else they serve.
When did a lack of little luxury accommodations like these milk substitutes become intolerance?

Does stocking milk ethically require that you stock alternatives for those who want something like milk, but can't have it?

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[–] [email protected] 93 points 4 days ago (32 children)

We wanted to order pizza and I told my girlfriend (who is Italian) that I might order Pizza Hawaii. Her reflexes kicked in and she bit me.

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