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[–] [email protected] 204 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it's been out for a while.

Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that's saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy

[–] TheFeatureCreature 149 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Buying a game post-launch:

  • Better prices; often on sale.
  • Fixed and patched up.
  • Extra content often included.
  • DRM often removed.

No brainer, imo.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 weeks ago

You forgot a bonus point:

  • Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it's best to wait. I'm not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they've patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

If only buying games actually supported devs anymore. Devs seem to get fired for any reason nowadays.

Bad game? Fired. Good game? Also fired. Popular game that people loved? Believe it or not, also fired. Develop a game only for the company to change direction and the game gets cancelled? Absolutely fired.

You'd think these publishers would value talent as much as their intellectual property but they seem to not care anymore for either.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Plenty of singleplayer games are from indies, those more or less support the developer.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm sure most pirates don't sit here and want a crack for a 10-20€ Indie Game. But a 80€ Game (sometimes even with additional microtransaktions like skins etc.) Yeah I see that.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Patient gamers represent! The older I get, the less I care about FOMO. The less I care about FOMO, the happier I am. It's a beautiful cycle.

/me goes back to playing snes games on an emulator

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

A lot of things in life are improved once you excise the FOMO mind cancer.

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[–] [email protected] 116 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them

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[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 weeks ago

You get what you pay for. You buy denuvo, you get denuvo.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having "no hardware activations" left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.

It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you'd go to HELL if you pirated it.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

you aren't buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why native support still matters. Anything not supported can pull the rug out from under you at any time.

[–] ImplyingImplications 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Except for when glibc updates and breaks games with native support (but not the ones running through a compatibility layer). Although that definitely happens way less than devs purposefully pushing changes that break on Linux.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I'm playing this.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago

anti-consumer feature is anti-consumer. more news at 11

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm more and more convinced that Doom 2016 was the peak. Eternal had that one song that kicked ass but that was mostly it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they'll remove it in a few years, I'm a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that's piracy and locks the user out of the game

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Aside from screwing Linux users, they're also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR, and I'd imagine there's also a lot of overlap there.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Looks like sailing is back on the menu, boys!

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 weeks ago

Owned by zenimax, owned by microsoft. Same owners of activision blizzard. Shafted Mick Gordon. So this is kinda 100% as expected.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (15 children)

Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I've played probably 75% of the game and it's enough to turn me off of every future title.

Edit: Bizarre fucking takes in this thread. How many of you that liked DA played on controller?

Final edit: liking Dark Ages and disliking Eternal is like preferring lunchables to a NYC slice.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

doom past doom 2 never felt like doom anyhow.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)

Hard disagree. Doom Eternal was a rhythm game disguised as an FPS and I hated it. It's crazy to me how widely acclaimed it was even over Doom 2016, which I thought was amazing. I'm glad they shifted back towards a more grounded FPS style that doesn't force you to juggle your entire weapon arsenal nonstop the entire game.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and "cancel" games that have DRM, in my opinion.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software's history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, most of Id's games had official native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn't seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I get paid today and was gonna pick this up tonight... Guess it's back to Oblivion then!

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago

Man, they're taking the "dark ages" part seriously.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Well cool, now I know not to pick up the game yet.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Didn't fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I'm done. If I can't own it, I ain't playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

i wanted to buy it because i know it will be good.

but ill pirate it instead as soon as its cracked. thanks ill save myself the money, you fucks.

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