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Censoring Nipples (lemmy.blahaj.zone)

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[–] MystikIncarnate 2 points 39 minutes ago

Trust me when I say this: none of the right-wing media/politicians, will understand that they've made any points on behalf of the protestors by blurring the "men's" nipples.

Also, saying men can go around topless but not women, is sexist. Any such law should be removed. We should all be equal in the eyes of the law. With that said: that shouldn't imply that women should go around topless. It should just be legally allowed. I'm a guy, but I don't think I need to explain to anyone the potential complications from going around topless as a woman... Whether trans or not.

The whole situation is dumb. Society needs to do better. We're all people. Let's keep that in mind and treat everyone the same, based on the fact that they are a human person in society. No legal separation of sex, gender, race, religion, or anything else. If you are a human person, you should have the same rights and freedoms as every other human person.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Is it illegal for women to be topless?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

Katy Montgomerie a really good interview with one of the women at the protest: https://youtu.be/wbA0q0eqYnM

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

Took me a while to even notice they are censored, and not just weird looking

[–] [email protected] 43 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

A living edge case. I love it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I guess the only solution is to free the nipple

[–] [email protected] 48 points 10 hours ago

Fucking Genius

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I cannot imagine being a cop in this country the laws are just totally arbitrary and you'd have to enforce them even though they make zero sense.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

It gets even mader. If you take one step over the border into England, being topless suddenly becomes legal regardless of gender or birth sex.

however it is not an offence for a man or a woman to be topless in England and Wales, so long as the person has not taken off their clothes with the intention of shocking or upsetting others.

https://petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/616538

[–] [email protected] 126 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

It would have been icing on the cake if trans men would have been in the same protest, also topless, but they weren't censored lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, cis dudes would work in that context too, no?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Not if the point is to make the government acknowledge their gender.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

To many in alt right groups, trans men don't exist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

How do you mean?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Whenever there is an issue with anything relating to genders it's always about trans women, not trans men.

They talk about trans women in women's bathrooms, but never trans men in men's bathroom. If they wanted your original gender, then you'd have trans men in women's bathrooms. Basically someone that looks like a guy in the women's bathroom.

They talk about trans women dominating women's sports, even though there are literally none. But what about a sport where being a women, i.e. smaller and more flexible, is a benefit. Something like gymnastics.

Women are also on average a better shot, yet we don't see discussions around trans men dominating gun or bow related sports.

There are many other examples, but generally the right always tries to attack trans women. It has to do with macho "manosphere" and equating anything less manly as a weak liberal thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Maybe there is another side to this toxic macho "manosphere" you mention.

After all, as a baseline men are by nature predisposed and culturally conditioned to protect and be considerate to women.

Despite all lamentation, Chivalry is not dead for some.

So obviously the sanctity of a woman's restroom is more highly valued than that of a men's bathroom. After all, women are more vulnerable and more often targeted in that way.

So the debate tends to skew towards women spaces, as those are more likely to cause public discord if disturbed.

Rarely are men stepping up on the soap crate to defend their own spaces. Because after all, they are strong enough to take any number of "inconveniences" and disadvantages because to admit to struggling with them would be weakness.

I'm not saying it's fair, or right, or how it should be. But maybe that bias isn’t always driven by hostility. Maybe it’s just that society still places more weight on protecting women, while expecting men to grit their teeth and deal with it. Even when those same men help reinforce that standard among themselves.

It doesn’t make the imbalance okay, and it doesn’t mean the outrage is consistent. But it might explain why all the noise gets focused on trans women. It’s not just transphobia, it’s the scaffolding of gender roles, still quietly deciding who gets defended, and who’s expected to tough it out.

It seems absurd to conceptualize a "chivalrous transphobe". But we are all more than just one label.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

I agree, had thought of that before - it's cognitive dissonance along the lines of "do I protect this person (who appears to be a woman but I'm not certain) or not (because they might not be)?" If society moved more to a model of 'help people who need help' it might improve matters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

I don't really agree, because these people will absolutely defend their fragile "man" places. The manosphere is not something I just made up. It's a complex network of influencers and media types. It's why we have people such as Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate leading a generation of young men. It's a gross perversion of what the right calls "being a real man". It's been discussed by phycologists and experts on men's mental health. You should read up on it, but I warn you it's a deep rabbit hole that may just piss you off how interconnected it is and supported by fascist authoritarians.

[–] [email protected] 82 points 15 hours ago

Malicious compliance at its best.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 14 hours ago

Damn, these people are bold as fuck. Get it!

[–] [email protected] 105 points 16 hours ago

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call a brilliant catch-22 situation.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (7 children)

In America most men are overweight or obese and have pendulous lumps on their chests with nipples attached. Personally I don't love seeing them, but when the weather is right, they are all over the goddamn place. It's absolutely ludicrous that women can't do the same. If there were any logical rule it would be don't show your chesticles unless you are a woman who uses them for feeding a child OR everybody gets to have their tits out regardless of any gender types. Pick one and go with it, but the current laws are base AF.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

In other parts of the world nudity isn't seen as a big deal or in some cases even unusual in certain settings. Americans are so afraid of seeing a titty or penis or whatever else.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

I mean in some parts it's not as big a deal yes. There are plenty of parts where it is like this. I think America is a good example primarily because so many American men have tits.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

When I was in pre-K, on a really hot day, I remember asking why the boys got to take off their shirts but I couldn’t.

Now that I’ve had top surgery, I can be the fat hairy bearded guy that mows lawns shirtless. It’s nice.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 hours ago

I'm happy for you that it worked out in the end.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 hours ago

I mow with a long sleeve that’s rated for 15fpf, skin cancer is a real concern. Stay safe out there fam

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

Sure, but it's a ridiculous privilege. Let's face it, many men have what meets the criteria for breasts. If we decide that breasts are outside of the Overton window then shirt those bitches up, all of them. If we are saying breasts on women are the only breasts outside the window then that's just plain old discrimination. Shift the window or cover them all up until we are ready to let them all out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Here in Fort Collins, it’s tits out for all. Come all and welcome for those that would like their tits out.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 15 hours ago

Austin actually has a city ordinance with more or less this exact logic. Once you’ve seen a dozen or so average women with their chests uncovered at the pool, it loses any excitement it may have initially held.

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[–] [email protected] 146 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Legendary behavior. Bigots can choke on it

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago

[–] [email protected] 335 points 20 hours ago (9 children)

SOMETIMES A CHECKMATE IS JUST SO FUCKING POETIC.

Butters: weiners out!

[–] [email protected] 122 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

For real, this is such a great move. Oh sure, the government could just ban nipples in general, but good luck enforcing that when it gets mildly warm and every scottish man rips their shirt off

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

actually proud of Scotland for once, not the government but the people

[–] [email protected] 53 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (3 children)

It's the UK supreme court, not a Scottish court, that decided to stomp over all the progress we had made with trans rights.

The Scottish Parliament tends to be considerably more left wing than the UK Parliament. Left to their own devices they would probably be much more like a Scandinavian country.

But actually, yes, the Scottish people are indeed awesome.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

I was particularly amused the time they decided to beat up a terrorist.

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[–] ininewcrow 174 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (18 children)

Another example of the Scots fighting for freedom .... they've been doing it successfully for thousands of years and they're still doing it!

I will never in my life ever understand the fight against gay, lesbian, bi, queer, LGBTQ+

They are a fraction of the population yet the majority causes them immeasurable harm simply because they exist. The louder they persecute, the more prominent LGBTQ+ movement becomes .... it's contradictory. If conservatives had just left them alone, there would almost be no issue about any of this at all.

There are far more important debates and fights to be had in our society .... namely the fight to preserve the survivability of our species in the coming centuries ... yet here we are fighting about who gets to show or not show their tits!!!!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I will never in my life ever understand the fight against gay, lesbian, bi, queer, LGBTQ+

One argument is that any (fictional) male can just put on a wig and a dress and enter any "women designated" area.

The people making this argument are usually men and rarely has an actual incident occurred.

(This opinion is based on trying to give Graham Linehan a benefit of doubt)

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 20 hours ago (17 children)

Tits censored, guess they are women then. Fuck the transphobes

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Love the message, but the blurb isn't correct. Police couldn't not arrest them because it would define them as a woman, outraging public decency and similar laws don't require specific genders.

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