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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

Fuck I hope so...

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

time to tell everyone NY democrats to "Vote blue no matter who"

[–] [email protected] 96 points 3 days ago (19 children)

I'm afraid it's too late though.

It's possible - arguably even likely - that the Dem establishment still won't get the message and will instead continue to try to con us into supporting corrupt neolib hacks and will continue to undermine actual leftists.

In fact, I sort of half expect the New York party to abandon Mamdani and instead back a write-in campaign for Cuomo.

I wish I was kidding.

Even if they show never-before-seen integrity and determination and actualy shift back toward supporting actual leftists (or get replaced by a new generation of leaders who will), I still think it's likely going to be too late. The longer Trump and his ilk remain in office, the more likely it becomes that opposing them will just get you on the next flight to some overseas concentration camp, or dead, or both.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Though I dont endorse accelerationism, when presented with that scenario accelerationism may be the only path forward. You cant keep hobbling for decades, slowly losing and falling further behind. It may be necessary to do what the nation is doing now: losing so that everyone can be reminded of what they had and what they want instead of being blissfully ignorant of both.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

The Democrats are going to try to ratfuck him, sure. They're never going to get the message

But this is how we clean them out. This is why AOC and Bernie are doing rallies - so that every seat that comes up is filled with a progressive. And this is a big seat

As for it being too late... Yeah, we're fucked. But we can still make things better. There's no reason to yield ground, maga is incredibly incompetent - they can be beat.

And there will be an after

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I wouldn't be surprised if the establishment decides open corruption is pretty cool actually and starts trying to rehabilitate Adams' image. Seems like trying to run both Adams and Cuomo is a fools errand and Adams is stubborn enough to stay in regardless so they'll have to go with him.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

It's Gotham City

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

100%. The DNC are not our friends and havent been for a while now.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I’m no political scientist, but I’d think he needs to win the general before this can be said.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Beating well-established Democratic royalty on their home turf by a Muslim is a pretty solid punch in the face.

He even had Clinton's endorsement. This was a very clear Fuck You to the Democratic party.

[–] howrar 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Was there actually an endorsement? All I'm finding is that Bill Clinton congratulated him on the primary victory.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] howrar 5 points 2 days ago

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you said he endorsed Mamdani.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Agreed but this is a good start.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

For sure, but we’ve seen hope like this go down the drain before. The circumstances here were favorable I think. RCV primary against an unlikable and disgraced opponent in NYC is hardly a death knell for the national corpo Dems

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

AOC is going to need allies and a progressive coalition. We need to change the composition of the party from within in exactly this way. We just need way more of it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

& boy he needs to win

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I wish. It's a clear message from the constituency, but no one ever blamed the DNC for listening ti their voters too much.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Either they listen to their voters and become a 'new' democratic party, or they'll continue bleeding numbers and die. Either way, it's still the beginning of the end.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ehhh zorhan primary win is more like first big hurtle. Now ZOHRAN has to deal with belligerent part of democratic party and independent runs

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He already has, up to this point. In fact, big parts of the party tried to support his competition. They failed. He's another in AOC mould. He may be good or great but there is an increasing trickle of progressive candidates.

The more that win by being good the more that can win without being so good. He may not be the Dems saviour but he's a step in the right direction and a worrying sign for Republicans and establishment politicians.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Indeed, they dusted off big Bill Clinton even.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

When I hear that Clinton endorsed a canidate my first thought was, who cares. That guy hasn't been in office for over 25 years now. Talk about irrelevant

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm sure the problem caused by a two-party system can be fixed by adhering to a two-party system

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

RCV undermines the necessity for a partisan vote. That's why Cuomo - the party establishment pick - lost by 8 points to a local outsider with better politics and a cleaner reputation.

But I agree, at some point, you do need to support someone. And if that someone is part of a large political organization (aka a party) they can bring a lot of financial and labor resources to bare when organizing and implementing political reforms. In the case of New York City, which is functionally a one party municipality (Dems regularly swamp the GOP 2:1), Zohran's entrance to the statewide political scene is a huge break from the traditional partisan politics that gave us Eric Adams and threatened to give us four more years of a corrupt, real estate entwined sex pest.

The fact that he's got a large, active, well-financed DSA behind him - in a way that transformed a coronation into a competitive primary - is a huge point in his favor.

[–] tempest 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The two party system is a symptom of the actual cause.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is it though? Or is it wishful thinking?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dems are cooked. Nobody is buying the old guard bullshit anymore. Embrace populism or go the way of the Whigs

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Maybe, probably. They are going to gamble that they can stay the same because people are/will be so mad about... well everything.

They can prop up a white male moderate with an ounce of charisma, someone that is around 45. People will be refreshed that this candidate speaks in complete sentences and the capacity for empathy -- like a real person.

That's what they want, business as usual sold as a revolutionary idea. Will people buy it? Who knows.. groups of people are pretty dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I fervently hope so.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Every time something hopeful like this appears I start wondering if it's safe to imagine that maybe things could get better here in the US. But so far I've been disappointed over and over. Part of me wants to just skip over the "maybe something good will happen" part and get right to the "oh, well, looks like he was assassinated by a blackwater hit squad" part. Money is power. The donor class gets what they want. And I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I start wondering if it’s safe to imagine that maybe things could get better

It's always safe to imagine. Imagining is the first step to a better place to live. But the dream can't live in your head forever. At some point, you need to take action.

I have no faith that working within the electoral system will fix that.

Mobilizing a large group of activists around a set of tangible and popular goals is its own reward, whether or not the electoral system is accommodating to the politician's success.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago

This is NOT true! The ONLY Reason he Won was because we DIDNT have Elon Musk Backing us or make our Platform CLEAR enough! Next time we'll spend BILLIONS of Dollars LETTING people know we WONT do ANYTHING to Improve Their Lives! THAT will bring them RUSHING back to Us!

-Chuck Schumer and The DNC!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Yo if telling yourselves that headline is what it takes to get you dudes out there to vote for the DNC so they can get to ending Citizens United, creating fair elections maps, taxing the rich, and expanding medical coverage: power to you. Let's go!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Hopefully the pendulum swings back hard after this fucking year.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Republicans will control the supreme court for the next 20 years. We will see couple of resignations soon so they can appoint younger, crazier judges. Hopefully progressive democrats will be able to stop the slide towards dictatorship but I don't except any swinging back.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Allow me to introduce you to my friend court packing.

But also in terms of things like Roe, all we need to fix that is a law passed through congress. The court would have no constitutional basis challenging it at that point. If they did it loops back around to justifying court packing.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Democrats won't get control of the Senate until 2029 January 3rd since the only seat the democrats can win in 2026 election is Maine and its currently 53-47, everything else is locked in place by the staggered election system of the Senate.

Winning the House can't stop the Judicial appointments that only the Senate has the power to reject

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[–] mp3 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And may it pisses off the MAGA crowd like nothing else.

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