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[–] [email protected] 282 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (21 children)

Look how stupid your country is, to hand the death of NATO to Putin because you’re on his side.

Thanks for the war and death and heat, Americans.

Fuck you.

[–] [email protected] 131 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

We're pretty pissed off at ourselves right now too. I'm sorry things got this far and wish I could offer more than fear and frustration...

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Just removing the US from another world stage

Soon we will be completely irrelevant

Which is the plan

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Gonna be as isolated at North Korea by the end of this administration. As trusted too.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Except they have the largest nuclear arsenal and the world biggest navy. They can't be ignored.

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick

[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

they’re doing it very knowingly… they wrote an entire nearly 1000 page fucking document detailing exactly what they’re doing in excruciating detail.

the fascists == idiots trope needs to go bc that’s exactly what makes them dangerous. lots of these fuckers are quite intelligent and conniving. you should be weary.

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As directed by Vladamir Putin.

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[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What's next? Helping Russia in their wars? I hope it was fucking worth it to "own the libs."

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Next is Canada and Greenland, then on to Europe where I will meet big daddy Putin in the middle.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

france was right all along

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

They want out because it's stopping to be a market for the US military industries, as Europe increasingly wants to spend domestically. As such, it now has very little interest.

US: We want you to spend more on defence!
Europe: Ok, we will buy more, from our own companies!
US: That's not what I meant! I'm going home!

[–] ILikeBoobies 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They wanted to leave during Trump’s first term because it helps Russia’s war with Europe

The increased spending is just meant to make the incumbents unpopular so the Russian backed candidates can win

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[–] [email protected] 74 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If the US leaves NATO, Europe would lose a lot of support.

If the US stays in NATO, they would refuse to support them anyway and could use their veto power to stop any potential action.

If they're not going to have the support of the US military either way, and the US staying in NATO could prevent the organization from taking any action at all, it may be in the best interest of Europe for the US to leave NATO so they can't cripple it from within.

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[–] LillyPip 65 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This took longer than I thought it would. It seemed like a priority during trump’s 1st term, then it stalled.

Given some of Putin’s comments lately, he seems increasingly restless. I wonder if this is related to that?

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He's preparing to attack the Baltics.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I would say the rest of NATO should be able to hold against Russia for sure, especially in its current state.

I would just be worried about short-term problems because of disrupted logistics due to the US withdrawing. Or maybe that other countries would follow the US in leaving.

But in the end, that is just my guess.

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[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

US: "NATO members need to up their defense spending!"

NATO: "Okay, we'll do it."

US: "Actually, We're leaving NATO." 🤡

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[–] reluctant_squidd 49 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.

Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.

All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.

I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.

Disturbing thought though.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Russia is losing against Ukraine, the fuck they gonna do against EU, unless they use nukes in which case who cares, it's game over

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Israel might bulldoze Gaza and maybe a few Mashriq countries, but it would suffocate on Iran. That's a fucking big country.

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[–] SpaceCowboy 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Israel, Iran, China, and Taiwan are all outside the scope of NATO.

Canada, Greenland, and most of the EU do fall under NATO protection though. It's a defensive alliance with well defined boundaries, member countries may have interests in other parts of the world, but since none of Israel, Iran, China, or Taiwan are NATO members it's not something NATO deals with. Unless one of those countries were to attack NATO of course.

Russia is in no shape to make war on Europe right now, they have their hands full with just Ukraine, and face economic collapse. Iran is in a similar situation. Trump has stopped his 51st state talk, but he's insane so you never know. China invading Taiwan? Trump is weak (he only talks tough) so you never know. But China is authoritarian and as we've seen of late authoritarian regimes don't seem to be doing well running military campaigns so it's possible they don't even have the capability of invading Taiwan.

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[–] phoenixz 46 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is literally the behavior of a traitor

Seriously, what happened USA? You were never the best, not even close, you were one of the worst, but st least you tried. Now you just kinda dropped pretence and went full asshole

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And only 6 months into one administration. Honestly I've never seen politicians work so fast at anything

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

That's fine, just pack your shit and close all military bases in nato countries as well.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Does the bill include all military installation closures and those that are on European territories? For example Greenland. If MAGA wants out, then GTFO and I do not want hear any crying afterwards because that will give the Europeans every excuse not purchase US made weapons. I'm certain US MIC lobbyists will weasel their way in to tear apart the bill.

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[–] OutlierBlue 40 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

Probably because they want those 5% GDP spent for contracts with the 'murican military industrial complex.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

I'm not saying Donald is a russian asset... But what more could daddy vladdy wish for?

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Incredible to observe the rapid (self)destruction of US. I'm just waiting for a couple of states to declare independence. Within a 5-10 years USA will be history like the Sovjet Union; it will break down into smaller countries.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (27 children)

Honestly, NATO might be better off without them

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yup. Doing Putin's work. So you're going to withrdraw from an even more powerful alliance right in the middle of an arms race. Fucking genius strategery right there.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

He's just stirring shit to get his name out there isn't he?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago

Utahns generally don't like to draw attention to themselves as firebrands (e.g. Mitt Romney, Orrin Hatch), so methinks the Senator is planning to get into the 2028 presidential primary.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Of course NATO is not a trusted organization to an administration consisting exclusively of Russian agents.

Seriously, are we sure these assholes even speak English and have English names or is there some cover-up going on?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

wow, even after NATO members helped US.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Isn't this the same psycho whose reaction to Minnesota politicians being assassinated was conspiracy theories?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

From a Turkish perspective, it's fucking ridiculous for Trump to first convince us to increase the defense budget, then withdraw from the alliance completely. The fuck is his goal?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Well, in a democracy it's important that people who want this can try to make it happen via official procedure, which this is.

That said, the people who want this are assholes and probably in bed with Russia.

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