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Sec. 2. Closing the Department of Education and Returning Authority to the States. (a) The Secretary of Education shall, to the maximum extent appropriate and permitted by law, take all necessary steps to facilitate the closure of the Department of Education and return authority over education to the States and local communities while ensuring the effective and uninterrupted delivery of services, programs, and benefits on which Americans rely.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The Department of Education currently manages a student loan debt portfolio of more than $1.6 trillion.  This means the Federal student aid program is roughly the size of one of the Nation’s largest banks, Wells Fargo.  But although Wells Fargo has more than 200,000 employees, the Department of Education has fewer than 1,500 in its Office of Federal Student Aid.  The Department of Education is not a bank, and it must return bank functions to an entity equipped to serve America’s students.

Move student loans to private banks! There it is.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

so what im hearing is the DoE was way more efficent, and deserved additional funding, right?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

What I understand is that they are more efficient, and loans aren't even it's core business..

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I mean they basically already do this, my student loan was moved to a private servicer which basically is just a company that collects the money from my loans.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Would this mean people can finally default on those loans? That would at least be a silver lining.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because US Americans are too damn educated today and we need them to be less educated /s

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 days ago (6 children)

The US is rapidly becoming the world's largest third-world country.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

50 third world countries in a trenchcoat.

[–] whoisearth 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Depending on where you go they long have been. As a Canadian the difference between our countries is jarring as soon as you step off the beaten path.

Edit - I wanted to elaborate for those not in the know. I grew up lower middle class in Canada and have been to many smaller areas in America over the years. The poor in Canada still have education and healthcare covered by the state. Poor people are easily distinguishable but at the same time they are very much the same as everyone else.

In Canada, you take the wrong turn and you're going to be met by a friendly stranger who will help you and point you in the right direction. In America, you take the wrong turn and you're Ned Beatty in Deliverance.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The true stereotype isn't that Canadians are overly nice. The true stereotype is that Americans are overly hateful.

[–] whoisearth 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Canada is what America could be if it valued the health and well being of its citizens. Not that we are doing much better but if America is at a 1 and Denmark is at a 10, Canada is at least in the 6-7 range

Edit - government debt to GDP is very telling for all countries btw. Canada is at 70% since the pandemic which is high compared to before the pandemic when we were in the high 50% range. In comparison America is 124%.

So Canada is getting far more for less money. The robber barons really have a hold down there.

https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/canada/government-debt--of-nominal-gdp

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fun fact. The United States is and always will be 1st world by definition. The 'Three Worlds ' model comes down to the cold war where a country is aligned with the United States, the Soviet Union, or neutral. Switzerland is a 3rd world country. What people generally call the third world is better describe as 'global south', and they either ignore 1st and 2nd world completely or neglect the 2nd world completely and call themselves the 1st world. With regard to the United States I think you mean it's becoming the biggest fucking piece of shit country, or you might mean it is no longer aligned with itself, plans to leave NATO, is not aligned with the soviet union, and is then by definition the largest 3rd world country.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I mean... You have the assumption that definitions do not change.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm sorry anyone in a red state. You and your children will never learn a goddamn thing of worth again. Fuck this country.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My mom is a school counselor at a tiny school in a tiny town in Montana. There is no way the school stays open. Or 90% of our public schools for that matter. Part of me wants to tell her "I told you so" but generally it just sucks so bad I don't have the energy

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

But they do need to be constantly reminded that their actions are what put us in this place. Forgiveness can only go so far before you have to hold people accountable for their actions. Otherwise, nothing will ever change, just continual repeat.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

I'm so grateful my daughter hated Indiana her entire life and fled to Illinois immediately after undergrad. Two of my grandchildren are there with her, and I have one here. I'll be ensuring his parents read to him because I know I will. And I'll campaign to his other grandparents and aunts. I refuse to let that boy get fucked over because this country is full of stupid misogynistic, racists cunts.

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[–] [email protected] 189 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It turns out the ones indoctrinating the kids have been the conservatives all along.

Fuck school choice vouchers.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (3 children)

The Department of Education was established by Congress. Elimination of it will take an act of Congress. This man is the biggest puppet ever.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why do you think they'll follow any sort of law or rule? Legitimate question.

They can tell everyone they're fired, change the locks/codes. Shutdown emails etc. and there is literally nobody that will stop them.

Except us with weaponry.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

the 2th amendment existing was no accident.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (8 children)

This is the biggest argument to show that all that big talks about 2nd amendment was nothing but bullshit all along. US is in the middle of fascist takeover, and what good their 3 guns per human brought them? Are there any consequences for fascist dismantling the very fabric of democracy?
Turns out the only thing all that abundance of guns is good for are school shootings and elevated crime rates, nothing else.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Montesquieu knew what was up. If Donald declares himself King and we don't meaningfully say no as a society, then he's a king. The constitution isn't going to rise up out of its case and shoot atomic fire at him, it's just an old piece of paper that only matters insofar as we believe in it. And, well, [gestures around] I'd say that ship has pretty well sailed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I think what we've seen is that Congress only has the powers that it uses. Sure, they could stop trump from nuking the DoE, but if they don't do shit, then it doesn't matter.

If you live in a state in the US, then you have a congress critter (multiple really) that represents you. Red, Blue, or independent, go to their town halls, go to their open forums, go to their offices, and tell them to do their fucking job. Whether that is officially closing the DoE, or preventing trump from doing it, they need to legislate it.

Edit:

https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member

You can look up your Senators and Rep here. Just called all 3 of my Congressmen and told them to do their jobs and legislate. I got through to my Rep's office (they're smaller and local) and left messages for both of my senators. All three are feckless republican shit-hawks, but at least I let them know they need to exercise the checks congress has, and that felt pretty good.

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[–] [email protected] 147 points 2 days ago (16 children)

The stupidest part of all this is its going to hurt the red states the most. Blue states already have great education

[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Can conservatives even get more stupid?

I would have thought voting for a felon rapist traitor who gives tax breaks to the wealthy over an actual prosecutor was rock bottom.

But I guess there is no rock bottom for conservatives.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

The conservatives have been objecting to the Dept of Education since its inception just after the Civil War.

Their objectio then is the same now. Alrhough they don't say it out loud anymore.

That it is dangerous, to the wealthy, to educate the lower classes

[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This dude is disgusting a traitor and by far one of the most vile men to walk this earth all he's missing is millions of dead bodies like his Nazi idol.

America is disgusting.

Where's all that talk about "my 2nd amendment rights" wake up America you're a fascist country now. Use your guns before it's too late.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In case you missed it: most of the people crying about their 2nd amendment rights and duties are the people that applaud this. The rest is aware that making use of their right would mean a civil war with former group.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No I didn't miss that.

But yall act like the left don't have guns. I have guns and I'm progressive. I served this country.

Fuck those people they are domestic terrorists. History repeats itself and we need to wake the fuck up, it sucks no one wants to fight but yet we are laying down and allowing tyranny to take hold. 249 years of the American idea being dismantled in weeks by a sediotious traitor.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Is america already great again?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The hilarious thing about that is, up into the 1970s secondary education in California was free to CA residents, and out of state students paid far less then $200 a semester.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Remember this, Reagan started this.

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[–] CircaV 8 points 1 day ago

America is an unserious country.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

The fun thing is that authority over education is already in the hands of the states. And I bet that ED is already understaffed, so they probably can't ensure the things in the last line if they fire people. All that makes the order effectively already met.

[–] [email protected] 107 points 2 days ago (2 children)

But although Wells Fargo has more than 200,000 employees, the Department of Education has fewer than 1,500 in its Office of Federal Student Aid.

So it's more efficient than a bank, BUT needs to be run by an actual bank? How stupid does he think we are?

[–] adarza 99 points 2 days ago

77,302,580 americans are that stupid...

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How stupid does he think we are?

Before or after destroying the Department of Education? The entire reason behind this is that uneducated people don't know their rights or how the government works, so the GOP can run roughshod over our rights.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

USA is becoming a dictatorship in 10... 9... 8... 7...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

kinda late on that countdown mate.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

good, now we can finally indebt 8 year olds too not just college students. they had it too good for too long

--trump, probably

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This entire executive order is about privatizing education and taking control of the loans to give to billionaires. States already fund their own education.

This really doesn’t effect the states education budget too much.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Congratulations!! This means the average person in America is already too educated. Right!? Right?

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 days ago

So I assume all the special ed money in Red states will now just go into a slush fund to accelerate executions, and an amplification of attacks on marginalized groups instead of helping kids/families.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago (6 children)

But he needs Congressional approval to do so.

[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm looking forward to Schumer whipping up enough bootlickers on the dem side to pass this in the spirit of cooperation

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