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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I really wish independent journalism existed so you could find out basic facts like "how often does the FBI normally arrest judges?" "Has a judge ever been arrested for obstruction of justice?" "Do they never get arrested inside a courthouse?"

I'm sure Judges sometimes commit crimes, just like everyone else. Are they normally given special deference and not arrested? Do they only get arrested for serious charges, and normally they get special dispensation because of their judge status?

Arresting judges does sound alarming, but without context it's impossible to know just how norm-breaking it is.

For example, if a judge is pulled over and found to be driving drunk, I most definitely would want that judge arrested and charged. Not arresting and charging a judge in that situation sounds like institutional corruption. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens, but I don't know because these journalists aren't doing their damn jobs.

Don't get me wrong, in this case I'm pretty convinced that the Trump people are overstepping their bounds. It seems like a pattern of attacking the judiciary. And, this isn't the judges being arrested for driving drunk or accepting bribes. This is judges being arrested for things related to immigration. Immigration, in particular, is something that the Trump administration is doing completely unlawfully.

But, how can we have any kind of informed dialogue when the standard of reporting is: "One side said 'It's outrageous they arrested a judge', the other side said 'the administration won't accept judges breaking the law.' The judge may have been a democrat."

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably because the article is from a business news outlet. I have heard a lawyer talk about the case, saying it was very unusually for her to be arrested for such charges (Leeja Miller I believe; not really a journalist, just a youtuber).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

That's the problem. Someone shouldn't have to find a random YouTuber to get basic answers.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago

Hannah Dugan is a hero and a patriot

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I said this before…when the fuck do we rise up? Or are we going to sit in the pot and boil?

[–] KingPorkChop 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think you guys are going to sit and boil.

If you ask me, things should have started burning a few months ago.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, this is a exactly what Trump wants. He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections. All of this is calculated.

[–] KingPorkChop 7 points 1 day ago (9 children)

He wants riots and chaos so he can declare martial law and gain even more power and possibly delay or even cancel elections.

And the alternative is sit and let ICE blackbag innocents?

The US has the 2nd amendment, which they love so much. ICE should be getting gunned down in the street by this point.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dunno about that. This was more or less Chuck Schumers approach to passing his agenda. If you fight him it's going to get worse, so don't fight? I feel foreign nationals shouldn't be leading the charge because of their vulnerability, but for full-fledged us born citizens following the law with their rebuke, surely many would martyr themselves for a historical rally against fascism knowing the ACLU would defend them.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I think you’re 100% correct.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I blame the "fuck you got mine" mentality that's become ingrained in Americans. A revolution requires selflessness but Americans aren't equipped for that.

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[–] Randomgal 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Kinda hard when only 55% of people disapprove of your king.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where the hell have you been for the last few years? Americans won't do shit. The tech oligarchy and the facists have the population exactly where they want them to be, struggling and unable to take actions.

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[–] [email protected] 234 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (38 children)

ICE walked into that courthouse without a judicial warrant - no judge authorized the attempted arrest of the defendant, who I might add voluntarily appeared for his court hearing.

This is the real threat, folks. This is one of many vicious cycles they want to start. Arrest immigrants at their own hearings, when they are already complying with the will of the state. Convince others not to show up to court, make them fear any and all interactions with the state, then accuse them of being fugitives and label all of them criminals by default.

An administrative warrant doesn't mean shit to a judge. She had every right to tell them to go talk to her boss, and in the meantime? She opened the back door.

That's it. That's the crime worthy of arresting a judge. A middle aged Milwaukee woman doing her goddamn job.

She opened a door and let the defendants - who had entered her courtroom legally and voluntarily - depart safely.

These are thugs, these are kidnappers, these are criminals. Obstructing ICE is NOT obstructing justice, because ICE is the one breaking laws and stripping away the rights of every American. They act without legal authority, they act without judicial approval, and they act without any regard for freedom, or rights, or basic human dignity.

It is the goddamn right and responsibility of every American to obstruct ICE at every opportunity, because there is no justice when Judges are forced to bow to them.

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[–] CherryBullets 62 points 2 days ago (1 children)

First they came for the immigrants, But I said nothing, Because I'm not a filthy immigrant.

Then they came for the protestors, But I said nothing, Because protesters are libtards.

Then they came for the judges and politicians, But I said nothing, Because they are all corrupt and evil.

Then they came for the minorities, But I said nothing, Because they deserve it!

And then they came for me, Because I was a gullible tool.

  • A future MAGAT survivor.
[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They would never admit it. They would say "and then they came for me, and I have no idea why"

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[–] [email protected] 251 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 57 points 2 days ago

This is a coup

[–] [email protected] 199 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (46 children)

And thus, the Night of Long Knives begins.*

Edit: The AP, as of 15 min ago has posted an update: "Dugan was taken into custody by the FBI on Friday morning on the courthouse grounds, according to U.S. Marshals Service spokesperson Brady McCarron. She appeared briefly in federal court in Milwaukee later Friday before being released from custody. Her next court appearance is May 15."

Thank goodness, she has been released- even if she is still going on trial for a trumped-up charge.

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[–] [email protected] 161 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Please remember: the ICE “arrests” are KIDNAPPINGS BY NON-UNIFORMED CIVILIANS. UNTIL PROVEN OTHERWISE.

If you see a gang of 4 dudes with beards and guns and jeans and polo shirts … treat it like the kidnapping it is.

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[–] [email protected] 72 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So they have arrested two judges. ICE and FBI are traitors.

[–] [email protected] 92 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I don't see any mention of a warrant.

Not that I'm surprised by that, but to say this is an "escalation" is an understatement.

This is a declaration of absolute power.

Edit: she was released on bond. Meaning a magistrate validated a warrant. Who signed the warrant?

Editl 2: Magistrate Dries did, yesterday. FBI Agent Lindsay Schloemer filed the complaint. Interestinginly Dugar wasn't the only judge who told the ICE officers to fuck off (in legal terms). She just told them then defendant and his attorney they could leave because ICE didn't have the correct warrant.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Senators, governors, and mayors of "sanctuaries" are going to be close behind.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 days ago (18 children)

This is how civil war starts. If the judiciary starts issuing arrest warrants over this unlawful kidnapping, they may need to deputize officers that are not under the control of the trump admin which could pit our armed forces against each other. Best case scenario is the judiciary finds the arrest unlawful and the FBI backs down because they're being threatened with contempt.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 2 days ago

America, this is your five alarm fire. If everything else wasn't enough to get you moving, dear God please let this be it.

Get out and protest. Get talking to the other people at those protests. Build your network. You're going to need it for what is coming.

[–] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago

Trump’s Night of the long knives coming next

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