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Over the past few elections, it's been a tradition for the Conservative party leader to get kicked to the curb after failing to unseat the Liberals. I don't see why PP should be any different.
Didn't the other leaders at least win a seat.
All the more reason to kick him out as leader. He can't even keep the seat hes had for years in an election that just months ago looked to be his by a landslide.
PP's special skills are:
Be mad at anything
Fly under the radar and do nothing (20 years as PM, a single co-sponsored bill, that's all he has ever done)
If they replaced him as leader they would have sailed to a win. He attached himself to Trump style politics and it finished him off.
It's a bit alarming to see more Canadian Cons didn't reject him however, but after 3 liberal terms it gets harder and harder.
That was my reason to the conservative survey, PP lost me when he started using trump style nicknames like carbon tax carney, and his final Hail Mary was to rally against woke culture. Nothing but dog whistles and trump style politics
It’s a bit alarming to see more Canadian Cons didn’t reject him however,
Beyond just a little alarming. Over 40% of the population basically said "We don't want Canada to survive the next four years" with their vote.
Everyone was in disbelief when people voted for Trump the first time. Then the second time. And look at what's happened there. A total collapse of their country.
Ironically, PP is the man of "no confidence" when it came to Trudeau. Yet, PP lost a 30%+ lead. Talk about no confidence! They should be kicking him out.
but after 3 liberal terms it gets harder and harder.
This is frustrating to hear, because I know this type of thinking can affect voting.
The reality is, if anyone is suffering during their day-to-day life, they need to squarely blame their Provincial and Municipal governments.
We keep voting for conservatives who impact our daily lives, but blame the federal government. Education is key to inform future voters of how each level of government affects them.
Education to inform voters? I wonder which party routinely tries to reduce education funding....
It's pretty bad. I was talking to someone who voted Cons yesterday and he was saying how Trump was actually doing the US economy a ton of good and that all the numbers from the stock markets to the bonds, trade numbers and all else were either temporary bumps or unimportant.
While it's true that stock numbers don't reflect the actual markets, they do reflect market confidence and has a high tendency to match what the market actually ends up being several months down the line.
I've come to realize that Cons rely on the fact that their supporters simply listen to their messages without paying any attention to other signs of what's going on, which is why they can flatly lie about whatever they want and people actually believe them. Because they don't want to internalize anything that suggests that they are wrong.
As someone who voted Liberals this time, I do strongly believe Carney is wrong and misguided on many points, but voted for him anyways. Because someone who is wrong a part of the time is far better than someone who is wrong most of the time. That a partially bad direction is better than someone who will run full steam ahead into the biggest ditch he can find while running over the average Canadian on the way.
It’s pretty bad. I was talking to someone who voted Cons yesterday and he was saying how Trump was actually doing the US economy a ton of good and that all the numbers from the stock markets to the bonds, trade numbers and all else were either temporary bumps or unimportant.
"Okay, but except for all those things, what have the Romans ever done for us?"
(Although there's a bit of artistic licence in the original)
You can seize the means of Production and lose society to those who own the means of Reproduction (of society): communication. Media, culture, education, history, and Law are just as fundamental to society as ownership, and as a shaper of motives, has more inertia, therefore momentum.
American oligarchs have a long lever into Canada through ownership and influence of our media, both legacy and online. We are going backwards without fixing that.
Don't forget the Canadian oligarchs that are doing "god's work" in Canada as well. Most of the private Canadian news outlets are owned by these billionaires that actively squeeze out every cent from their own base while convincing them that it's for their benefit with unabashedly one-sided reporting.
It really reminds me that all the stuff I say that what the US reminds me of 1930s Germany or Italy actually applies to Canada as well to a frighten degree.
Beyond just a little alarming. Over 40% of the population basically said "We don't want Canada to survive the next four years" with their vote.
No, that's going way too far.
Bear in mind that although you might be focused on this election as a single-issue voter, lots of other people don't share that focus. When there's polling specifically about whether Canada should join the US the positives are in the below-10% range, comfortably into "just crazies and loons" territory. But a political party like the Conservatives have a wide range of positions and people can find them compelling in various ways. Conservative voters also want Canada to survive, they just have different opinions from you on how to accomplish that and what "survival" means.
I'm quite happy that the Conservatives didn't get into power, I think Carney is the right person to be leading Canada right now. But let's not jump to painting people we disagree with as being all a bunch of lunatic monsters.
Wasn't an option. Much like MAGA down south, Poppinfresh completely hijacked the conservative narrative; refusing to allow reporters to follow him on the campaign trail, forbidding Conservative MPs from talking to the media without his approval and only with his selected talking points.
Any divisive information from the Conservative party came by way of leaks and insiders. Poppinfresh in NO WAY wanted there to be any division shown in public. For him, like Trump, it was all hail the leader or he'll do what he can to get your career shit-canned.
In many way, I looked at this election not only as Left vs Right, but at least as much about the Conservatives battle to take back their party to a (slightly) more sane time when differences were largely about economic policies instead of cultural ones.
Serious question: would a progressive conservative like O'Toole have defeated Carney?
Better chance of it, yeah. But I suspect Trump's antics against us meant that they guy who was one of the most respected financial minds in the world and led two countries through previous crises was always going to win.
They couldn't have scripted a better narrative than "Trump's a financial idiot and I'm one of the top financial minds on the planet."
Yep, it was really perfect for the liberals. I wonder if choosing Carney was a calculated choice to benefit from the turmoil in the US, or if it is just ridiculously good luck.
It's kind of interesting - O'Toole probably would have done better at preventing vote loss in this type of election, but I'm not sure he would have been as effective in whipping up the Conservative base on the front-end. It certainly would have been harder for Carney to enter though, and would have instead probably been a Trudeau or Freeland election instead.
What we should do now is turn our attention to American media organizations within Canada. They were the root cause to the attack on the CBC that walked a similar line as the Liberal party this election (read; the precipice of annihilation). The orange blimp (and his successor cronies) goofy missteps likely won't be repeated next time around.
3 liberal terms
The problem with incremental improvement is the lack of fireworks and circus.
The great thing about improvement is it is improvement.
Sorry if #2 bores you. See #1
People do just get tired of an incumbent government. It's not even related to who they are or how good a job they're doing.
It’s a bit alarming to see more Canadian Cons didn’t reject him however, but after 3 liberal terms it gets harder and harder.
the vote is so close that it's clear that trump is the reason why he didn't and it also means that the conservatives will win the next time they try without someone like trump in power.
Initial reaction to him staying on as leader: “What? Is he insane?”
The immediate followup reaction: “Oh right yes, we knew that about him already.”
Yeah, it's totally in character for him. He's an attack dog that takes everything he's technically entitled to and then a little bit. It doesn't matter if you're talking about the ability to lie, to be rude or sinking his own party in a quest for personal power.
And I had to check the outlet for the headline.
Beaverton or not, it is true. No one wants to be known as the company that hired the failed trucker convoy pm.
He for sure ends up spending the rest of his days in some shitty conservative think tank. Or Alberta provincial politics.
Will fit right into the IDU.
I have hired and fired before. If someone came to me with a resume that slim, would they even get the interview… nah.
He’s never made anything, his expertise is misleading rhetoric, so I guess if he were ever to get an actually productive job making things it would be advertising where he can VERB the NOUN all day.
Whatever he does next, it's entirely on name recognition - he won't need to submit a resume.
Which is good for him, because like you said, his resume wouldn't even land him an interview.
Unfortunately, "nearly prime minister" means he fails upward now. Someone will hire him just for being who he is.
2 Hot takes:
This is likely going to lead to the Conservatives splitting between the reformers and the moderates once more, as either is going to believe the other side is inhibiting their ability to lead a new government. Reformers will likely solidify everywhere between the East of the Rockies and West of Ontario (Eastern BC and all the Prairie Provinces, I'm thinking), while the Conservatives will have to once again fight for representation largely in Ontario and (maybe) the Atlantic Provinces.
It would be nice to see the Right-wing splitting their votes the same way the Left does for NDP and Liberals, if for no other reason than to help make Minority governments more prominent in Canada as a whole; however,
I heard a podcast speculate that Doug Ford would be PM one day and tbh i shudder at the thought of that. A canada wide bicycle ban? Selling national parks to build mcmansions? Public funding for private amenities only the rich can afford?
All of that is possible under Ford as PM.
Was chatting with a friend who voted conservative this morning. Something I have said to many people which I will repeat here. I would love to vote conservative if the were progressive. The regressive bat shit insane anti vaxx/conspiracy/trumpet/etc part of the party that they continue to allow have a voice is putting many like me off. They lost a lot of traditional PC voters to Mark Carney
What is worse is they're so deep up their own asses they don't see it. This is the new conservative movement across the world. They are goose stepping right into facism and are ok with it.
This is likely going to lead to the Conservatives splitting between the reformers and the moderates once more
It should, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
On the subject of the Prairies, I suspect whoever keeps the Conservative name will keep winning. It's more brand loyalty than ideology at this point.
God he's such a fucking donkey.
Unelected leader of the opposition.
Glad the election is over with now and that I don't need to filter out as much misinformation from bots and people that don't understand how our election system works, and especially the ones that don't understand that we do not vote for a prime minister.
Wonder if he steps down as leader of the cpc or if they go for a by-election.
Unelected would be better... he was outright rejected!
Who?