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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 hours ago

The thing is, it's almost certain that the orange idiot will do this again next month, next quarter, next year, ad infinitum. He's also shown that it's mostly bluster, Canada called his bluff and he blinked. So now it's noise, risk, and unnecessary cost.

There's also no confidence that this nonsense will stop in four years, no confidence that another Trump won't be elected next time.

America's burned the last shred of respect it had left, and it's gone, for decades if not forever.

Every other country is going to do its best to divest itself of every dependency on the USA it can; find other buyers and find other sellers.

[–] [email protected] 164 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Keep boycotting US goods, people. Even if no tariff comes to pass, we need to swing away from our dependence on US trade.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Actually... As an American, I can also prioritize Canadian goods, I'm guessing. Maybe we can do both, from both sides of things?

This said, if the ploy here is to milk those goods for money via terrifs and then point to them as a huge success, it may only harm the situation...

[–] [email protected] 83 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

Hell, I want to boycott US goods and I'm an American living in America!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Literally do that if you can buy Canadian instead.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 17 hours ago

I’ve been trying to de-billionaire my life lately. The strategy at the moment for spending money is:

Buy nothing, if possible. Then buy used, if I have to spend money. If I can’t buy used, then buy local. If I can’t buy local, then buy Canadian or Mexican.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Dont let your dreams be dreams.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

Buy Canadian. Our beer and whisky is better anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago

I hope the various provinces continue to not shelve US alcohol. Trump said he was pausing the tariffs. When he says he's canceling them, then ease off.

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[–] rxbudian 37 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Canada should keep imposing the Tariffs until March.
Trump didn't expect Canada to hit back, so he is unprepared for the fallout. If Canada also pauses until March, Trump will use the time to prepare and he'll reimpose the Tariffs in march

[–] [email protected] 29 points 12 hours ago

This is the part the media and the economists get wrong. This was never about trade or the economy. Trump understands neither. What he does understand is power. Control. It is how he has always "negotiated". Find some pressure points you control, press on it (even if it makes no sense or, worse, actually causes suffering) and then wait for someone to offer something and declare victory.

No grand plan, no scheme, no 3d chess, no deep thought. Just flex and collect.

[–] Showroom7561 19 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

My thoughts, exactly.

This move was simple intelligence gathering. Now he knows how the world will respond to this threat. He's far more prepared to do it for real the next time.

Canada should hold their ground and call his bluff. Make him suffer for just the idea of threatening us.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago

as an American in a blue state all I can say...

hit me maple daddy

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I’m an American in a blue state and I voted for Kamala. I fully support this!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 13 hours ago

American in a swing state, voted blue down ballot. Make us suffer for electing this moron.

[–] [email protected] 73 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Trump and friends are just pumping and dumping the stock markets.

They let you do it if you're a billionaire.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

That's just the fringe benefit. The real aim was to distract from the plane crashes he caused with his mismanagement of the FAA, and the half dozen agencies that have been hijacked by people without security clearance

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

C'mon, Trump was talking tariffs for months ahead of all that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Yeah, he keeps bringing them up any time he needs to distract from any negative coverage of him or his own failings. They're now on pause after they succeeded in their goal of distraction.

Don't get me wrong, they'll come up again. And again. And again. It's one of the easiest levers he can pull or buttons he can press to get massive attention with very little impact to himself.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I’m still never knowingly buying another US product ever again. Fuck them.

[–] GreyEyedGhost 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

This is a key point. A lot of Canadians are going to avoid buying American, at which point it doesn't matter if they're product is on the shelves or if the price didn't go up, so there will still be some economic impact even if our leaders kiss and make up.

Trump didn't piss off one person, he pissed off millions, then gave them a target. And this isn't a unique event. Similar responses are happening in the EU and elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Im skeptical that anything positive will come of this for either of our countries anyway. Things will just continue to get progressively worse for the working class.

[–] GreyEyedGhost 2 points 10 hours ago

Tariffs can have certain benefits if wielded with finesse in the right circumstances. Trump uses anything he has like a blunt object. The goal of the retaliatory tariffs was to cause key parts of America pain, rather than mostly Canada feeling the pain of these tariffs.

As for helping the working class. No tariffs are better than tariffs for that working class, but that group has been neglected or targeted for a long time.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 17 hours ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 20 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Sort of, I’d say he winced. He still got a stronger boarder which was something he was wanting (cause Canada is the problem /s) but obviously the trade deficit didn’t change.

We’ll truly know if he is blinking if he follows through on the tariffs in a month. I just hope Canada (and others) wake up and realise they can’t depend on the US anymore. They should diversify themselves as much as possible as quickly as possible

[–] resin85 12 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

The increase in border security spending was announced back in December. The only real change announced today is that Canada will now stick the bogus title of Fentanyl Czar on someone. Oh, and the fact that Canadians now will actively avoid any American products. Great job mango Mussolini.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Oh interesting, didn't know about that. So Trump can pretend he made a deal that was already done just by getting Canada to throw in 'Fentanyl Czar'. What a deal maker /s

Hope Canada continues to avoid American products and diversifies who they supply their exports to

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

I think prince andrew has free time on his hands.

[–] theacharnian 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

For the record, a trade deficit is not a bad thing, Trump is just obsessed with it because he's an idiot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Very true, it's a symbiotic relationship (or was anyway, the bigger party has changed it's mind)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Border.

And he didn't get a "stronger border", he got Canada to pretend to take a non-problem seriously.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

That's fair, for him it's a win but in reality it doesn't actually fix a problem since there wasn't one to begin with

[–] NotSteve_ 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Myself and a lot of other Canadians have already started avoiding American goods, even before these tarrifs were set to go into place

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

Good on ya and keep it up!

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[–] nova_ad_vitum 32 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

All that noise lol.

First tariffs on "day 1" , then Feb 1, then Feb 4, now Mar 1. I wonder how much more credibility he even has left on this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

He... Never had any credibility? Everybody knows Trump doesn't understand anything, and all his decisions are fed to him by handlers/oligarchs/lobbyists.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

hopefully this tariff trouble will end pretty soon, and with that, things will get cheaper for both canada and mexico

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago

So what happens after the 15th time Trump does this?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 17 hours ago

Gonna be agonizing to live through 4+ years of this bullshit. We need to run them scared out of here.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Once again.... Trump bent the knee.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Trump is on both knees taking it up the ass, while sucking the cocks of billionaires as they rob us blind of our government information and money.

Sorry for that ugly visual.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago (8 children)

I know it is applying logic to where there is none but...

In what world does it benefit trump, project 2025, and putin for Canada to have 10k more troops on the border?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 17 hours ago

Entertainment for his cultists. They like seeing troops on the border. More importantly, they're tearing down the global economy on purpose so they can remake it as they please. If Trump gets his demands met, he knows he can go farther next time. If not, things collapse and his accelerationist billionaire buddies are happy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Because Trump can claim he beat Canada.

Trudeau should take one for the team and fuck Melania.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] uninvitedguest 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Not sure this was a Canadian win? We had to commit a billion to border security and USA had to commit to status quo for 30 days.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I'm pretty sure it is.

Trump only really manages good things by accident, but in my view, it's objectively a good thing seeing Non-US countries committing more to their own security. Also, at least here in the US, tens of millions can't afford an unexpected $400 expense without going further into debt, so finding $100-$200 in their budget to deal with tariffs is also going to be unmanageable, and I'm glad that's been avoided. (for now)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

So that would give Canada and Mexico to diversify and find alternative markets after Trump capitulated.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

He backed down like the weak nepo baby he his

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