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[–] floofloof 293 points 1 week ago (6 children)

She said that there's been a 500 percent increase against ICE agents who are just "trying to do their jobs and remove public safety threats from... communities."

Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I loathe and despise using percentages like this.

500% sounds super scary, but is meaningless without providing the baseline. If there was only one instance before and now there’s 5 it isn’t a significant increase but 500% sure sounds scary.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Worse still it's not even clear what is being discussed. It implied "violence" but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.

% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

ICE also keep getting caught on camera lying about being threatened before they start beating some innocent

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Sadly I haven't heard of any ICE officers getting shot in the line of duty.

[–] floofloof 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

We all know that cops will try to charge you with assaulting them if you so much as shrug while being arrested. And they'll contrive situations just so they can do that. I'd say that makes their statistics meaningless without specific details and proof.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Just following orders..."

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Unjust, following orders

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's so blatant as if theyre using an instruction manual or something 🤔

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi

[–] KingPorkChop 15 points 1 week ago

Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi

He's a fucking JEWISH Nazi - which is the worst kind of self loathing Nazi.

He'd be the first in the showers when the real Nazis come to town.

He's a pathetic loser.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Stephen Miller is exactly a Nazi

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Exactly. Basically "wahhhh this is making it harder for the kidnappers to kidnap people!! stop using the app they're just trying to do their jobs pls feel sorry for them 😭 "

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago

someone on bsky did the match and found out that 700% increase is still only like 70 incidents (i forget who it was that posted it)

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[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 week ago (3 children)

We need a federated equivalent. Anything centralized can be stopped.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

At the very least I hope it's hosted by someone outside the US so it's out of reach to the authorities.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For all we know the app might just be a honeypot itself

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

That's always worth considering. A phone app doesn't take a big operating budget to launch and maintain. Especially for state-actors.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is a genuine concern that we should recognize.

I'm about 99% confident it isn't, but considering it is the kind of caution we should all be exercising these days.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  • Is it open source? (No)
  • Is it's publishing and build pipeline open? (No)
  • Can anyone audit it? (No)
  • Does the author make unreliable claims of privacy? (Yes)
  • Does the author detail how data privacy and security is implemented? (No)

It's probably not a honeypot. But it's also likely to be negligent enough in implementation that it might as well be.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Federation is an overly complicated solution it's not required. It also wouldn't actually help, they can still take it off the app store there'd be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.

The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There's no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that's a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that's probably unnecessary

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Federated application for a map with markers and notes?

It seems for me that this would be too narrow a purpose.

Maybe a general-purpose public notification map. With some functionality allowing to separate markers by their authors and by tags. Or it can be spammed with bogus markers. By tags - well, for it to be general-purpose. By authors - because moderation can't be left to instance admins.

And, of course, I'm personally for separation of moderation, instance ownership, identities and hosting, but my own toy attempt showed me that the logic of checking the chain of privilege delegation is kinda PITA. That is, separating identities from instances is not that hard. And communities. What's hard is the community owner delegating rights to other identities, and in general authorized actions. It's a task of determining which privileges does an identity currently possess, and how does it affect its own actions on the community, and in which order should those be processed ... Everything is harder than it seems. Sad.

So federation is fine LOL.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"He's giving a message to criminals where our federal officers are," Bondi said. "...we are looking at it, we are looking at him, and he better watch out, because that's not a protected speech. That is threatening the lives of our law enforcement officers throughout this country."'

Actually, I believe it is protected speech. There are apps that let people know where speed traps are. You mean it's not constitutionally protected to say to someone "hey, did you see the cop down on the corner?" Ridiculous. Of course, what she means to say is that the constitution doesn't matter and laws are made up now, and they're just going to do whatever the fuck they want. They're just not quuuuuite ready to go through the trouble of literally setting the constitution on fire yet.

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 week ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Glad others have pointed this out. Their "reasons" for not supporting 70% of worldwide smartphones via Android seemed very suspect.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think he thinks HE had to store the information, and if he isn't the one storing it, it's anonymous.

Except, on Android, you can also do it where only google stores the information and he doesn't have to store any. And there are no user name or passwords or accounts involved to listen to specific channels like he claims.

You can collect this information, and you'd be able to write a more custom push service, but it isn't needed at all, but Google and Apple will always know who is getting the messages.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol, called it.

Incompetence and false bravado is all but guaranteed with development teams. Especially when it's closed source, not audited, and has minimal room for feedback loops.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You don't even need to audit a closed source app to know that Apple knows which devices its sending pushes to. It works because they know.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

Thanks for the heads up.

Saw it wasn't on F-Droid and was going to ask for source page (to get through Obtanium), but looks like they're allergic to android and derivates. Appreciate you pointing to references.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

...iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple...

Can't speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you've lost 99% of users, if not more.

It makes me suspect they're not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.

The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they're saying is true about stock OEM android though.

That's a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.

On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn't easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can't. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there's no exclusivity.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Good. I hope they're terrified. The same as their victims

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Send & Receive alerts about ICE raids and activity in your area. Stop ICE Alerts Network works with technology already built into your phone without the need to download an app.

This is the way.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You’ve still got to connect to their servers and they can monitor who connects to what.

I wouldn’t trust it without a non-US based VPN. We should assume anything in the US is compromised by the fed, and that they are watching.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago

Only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

Expected this after recent news articles criticizing it for hurting ICE officers.

[–] Rentlar 16 points 1 week ago

Clearly it's just safety minded individuals acquiring it. This app helps keep communities safe from unmarked armored vehicles filled with masked criminal cop impersonators.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Is there an android version?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

~~Did anyone else notice that you couldn't use this on an Android device because it it may put the people who use it at risk?~~

~~For shame Android~~

Developer may not actually understand how phones work

https://lemmy.ml/comment/19647328

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

These dumb fuckers STILL haven’t figured out the Streisand effect.

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