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Experts say annexing by 'economic force' involves more than just tariffs

The first shots of the trade war between the United States and Canada have been fired.

Whether it escalates beyond the planned 25 per cent tariff into a wider economic war depends upon how genuinely serious President Donald Trump is about annexation, experts say.

Tariffs are one thing. While painful and destructive, experts agree duties alone would not crush the Canadian economy, nor the political establishment, into submission.

Prior to his inauguration, Trump threatened to use "economic force" to compel Canada to become the 51st state in the union.

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What does a full-blown economic war look like? Think sanctions, import and export restrictions, trade embargoes, theft of intellectual property.

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[–] floofloof 76 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I can't believe we're two weeks into Trump's presidency and already people are seriously discussing whether the USA is going to take over our country by force. Canada and the USA's other former allies needs to do everything they can to forge new trade relations that leave the USA out of the picture. Otherwise the Trump-Putin axis will be ready to swallow us all.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago

As an ashamed American, I fully support your position!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Bro... There is no public support for this beyond useful idiots and fringes.

I can't see military following such orders either.

[–] pedz 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The US government already didn't care what the public supports or not. They were already financing an unpopular genocide. That orange dictator is replacing key people with idiots loyal to him and his cause. So it won't get better.

Times and times again people have defended that orange turd, saying we were misinterpreting, or he was joking, or that he couldn't do that, only for him to do it, and get away without any consequences.

If you think this is not a serious possibility, you have not been paying attention.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

His SecDef is also floating massive restructuring within the military, likely to make it easier for orders to flow down from the top without obstruction from people who might have pesky things like a conscience.

[–] floofloof 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I can absolutely see the US military following those orders once Trump has replaced all the top brass with his cultists and the alternative is the harshest punishment they can come up with.

And as for no public support, half the electorate just voted him back in after he spent weeks talking every day about how he would annex Canada. I suspect there are many tens of millions of Americans who support it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Misleading. He got about the same vote count as last time. He didn't win, Harris lost by running as a Republican in service to capital.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

20 million stay at homes were effectively voting trump so

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If he keeps firing Generals , he won’t be president for very long.

[–] adespoton 2 points 1 week ago

Musk will just replace them with some cadets who worked for him as interns.

[–] adespoton 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I couldn’t see the US electing Trump a first or second term either, but here we are.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Give them 4 years of sowing discontent..

[–] skozzii 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why is the media playing along with this ? Let's call it out for the fascism it is.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Why is the media playing along with this ?

Have you not noticed who owns the media?

[–] avidamoeba 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well if he does that then we'd likely have to take drastic measures that I imagine would like it or not include emergency cooperation with China. Don't know if there's anyone else that can absorb what we make and provide what we need as quickly as they could. I think Xi already offered help.

We should do everything to avoid any attempts to force shock therapy on us. That may be on the cards.

[–] avidamoeba 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As a silver lining, I think we'll avoid a conservative government. Mark Carney gets to look more and more like the economic crisis manager for the job, given his past experience.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

not so loud let PP make his fuck up that's bound to be in the works.

[–] Someone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, that's how they fumbled the ball down south. "Oh, look at this dumbass felon, no one will vote for him!" Well it may have worked, but enough people voted for no one that he won anyways. If the Liberals want to win they need to show us why we should vote for them, not just hoping PP will make himself look bad. I'd argue he already has but clearly a lot of people disagree.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

I agree. I just don't want to talk up Carney, I'd rather he show us why he's awesome. And I want PP to show us why he's an asshole.

[–] Grimpen 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I bit the bullet and joined the Liberals just to support Mark Carney. I also think highly of Chrystia Freeland, but Carney's background is exactly what I'm coming around to thinking this country needs right now,

It's kind of too bad, I think Chrystia would make a good first elected female PM, in addition to just being a good PM, but Carney's history with BoC in 2008 and later BoE along with what I've heard him say just seems what's needed right now.

[–] avidamoeba 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Freeland says too many austerity-adjacent things as well as makes pro capital statements for my taste.

Did you join before the deadline?

[–] Grimpen 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The day before. Mixed feelings about being a member of a political party, but give it a whirl for a year I guess. Probably about to get bombarded with hyperbolic fundraising spam.

[–] avidamoeba 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

On the plus side, get to contribute to getting better leaders to vote for. Democracy at the federal election ballot box isn't enough. Too often we end up in the "least worse" or "they're all shit" situations when there were much better people who lost by a sliver during the party leadership elections. We need to take more active role further down the chain of democracy. This is one way. I know I'll be switching party membership in order to vote in future leadership elections. Perhaps even in the conservative one although I'm not sure I want to have that in my record. πŸ˜‚

Also at the local, municipal, provincial, workplace (union) levels.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

That's great advice! I joined the PC's one year (because it was $5) I'm a very NDP type guy but I was hoping to steer towards a better political leader unfortunately Shear won. I got to see all his emails though and that showed me how awful he was as a candidate and probably a person.

[–] DMCMNFIBFFF 7 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Y'all need yourselves a peepee tape!

[–] humanspiral 3 points 1 week ago

He said if "you get rid of that artificially drawn line," referring to the border, it would "also be much better for [U.S.] national security."

Disappointed with Trudeau response of "anger is wrong", and "must retain strong US military alliance". Unless Europe, UN, NATO voices strong support for unfairness/act of war, Canada must break the alliance and get closer to countries it has been "forbidden to" + Mexico. It's only by making US beg to reform alliance/colonial master status, that Canada can return to supporting US.