If the US government stops paying their bills at a certain point the country is technically defaulting. That's going to be fun.
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Guess you’ll have to use crypto once your dollar is worthless
I don't think crypto will replace USD as a global currency if USD fails.
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If the dollar tanks, crypto's going with it.
Or they can use euros. They're widely accepted.
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Can I ask? Why does Musk suddenly have this authority? "DOGE" isn't even a real Department, right? And also, Musk hasn't been elected or officially confirmed for any government position. Why the fuck is he giving orders and leading departments and having any power whatsoever over the U.S. Treasury and such? I don't understand how this works. Why doesn't the U.S. have any... I don't know, safeguards against this sort of shit? It's absolutely bonkers to watch this unfold from across the pond.
Musk just walked up, said "I'm in charge now" and everyone's just complying? Please ELI5.
He doesn't. However, that is only according to this pesky technicality called "the law". If the President does not want to follow the law, and appoints people who also do not care for following the law, then the law stops being a thing to look for for authority; and Musk can do this because Trump says he can.
In the short term, expect this to be shut down by the courts. In the medium term, a bunch of these orders will end up in front of the Supreme Court that unironically said "if the president does it, it might be illegal, but he is absolutely immune from prosecution". Even if the SC come down on the only legally defensible position, Trump could still say "them and what army"
This is 100% a coup by Trump to centralize power in the executive. When staging a coup, "authority" is merely an inconvenience.
Trump said he’s in charge in a private capacity
The Supreme Court is yet to say it’s not allowed
It takes months if not years for a case to be appealed to the supeme court. They don't even accept most cases.
Any court federal can issue an order on this if a case is brought. Courts cannot do anything unless asked. That's kind of how the legal process works. Someone, or some AG will file a suit. Might take a few days or weeks.
It takes months if not years for a case to be appealed to the supeme court. They don’t even accept most cases.
I’m old enough to know how Bush beat Gore
They will keep doing this through the appeals process
Everyone is not "just complying," two security directors of USAID were dismissed when they tried to stop the musky henchmen.
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You guys think we're gonna get tax returns this year?
I bet we don't.
And still not a peep from anyone in position to stop it
Not paying contractors, a plan straight out of the Trump playbook.
I pray they're dumb enough to stop payments to Lockheed it Raytheon. Problem might solve itself
Mess with the military industrial complex. A wise plan for the Twits, Musk and Trump.
This is a coup
Can you guys maybe do something about this? You all have guns right, I thought that was the entire point of that part of the Constitution.
The point of that was to prevent the need for a standing military. The thought was a standing military would lead to tyranny
Texas used to have gun free towns (sort of, when you entered you left your gun with the sheriff)
Political parties were also a big nono, the runner up was supposed to be VP
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And for people who don't like that word:
Regulatory capture of the entire United States government.
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Good to know that our elected officials in the legislative branch are no longer able to create laws that are actually enacted.
This shit is outside the scope of the presidency.
Remember when people were posting articles on how stupid and ridiculous DOGE is because it wouldn't have the authority to do anything?
It's still stupid and ridiculous and it still doesn't have any legal authority.
Unfortunately, it is being allowed to act without legal authority.
He doesn't need the authority if he just forces his way in.
Grabbed America by the pussy
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Lmfaooooo I just turned down a contractor position at NASA Ames. Applied for a full time position, went through interviews and even a facility tour, just to be offered part time temp to hire. Get fucked lmaooo
The US isnt good for their money. Creditors should demand their debts or threaten legal consequences in the form of international sanctions
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I bet a ton of them were pro-trump, MIC-type leeches.
Could have used the thumbnail with his famous salute
Contractors handle Medicare.
Contractors run our military
Contractors run Homeland Security as well. You know, the people running the deportations. And they sure as shit won't do that crap for free.
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Musk is himself a giant government contractor via Space X and Starlink. Odds are he's just trying to clear the board to funnel the money to his businesses. Especially when it comes to defense money!
I hope that Lutheran Charity is filled with MAGAts in a red run dump.
I sure hope this was worth it to hate on the trans and the browns. That's the only thing dumb ass Americans voted for in 2024.
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I see lawsuits flooding the US government for not paying for things they ordered.
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At what point do we declare this a coup? This isn't what even the most diehard conservatives out there voted for, I don't understand how this isn't considered a hostile takeover.
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How is anyone permitting any of these people to have authority?
So I was looking at this today. It looks like a combination of serendipity and malicious behavior. The US Digital Service was effectively leaderless on Jan 20 when it was renamed DOGE. That's the serendipity. But it was already "excepted service" under the president instead of a congressionally chartered agency. So they could (and likely would have) simply fire any leadership.
USDS' purpose was to fix computer systems all over the government. And it was doing a great job of that. But in order to do that it does get access other agencies don't. This is where the malicious part comes in. Trump turns them into DOGE and links them with lawyers and HR people. They use their existing access authorization to get into systems and then do HR stuff instead of systems engineering. Furthermore they aren't currently funded, which means they shouldn't be operating at all. Their last funding ran out in September.
Trump can just appoint people to it because he has a wide ranging authority to do temporary hires. Another malicious catch though is Musk is clearly operating DOGE but he hasn't been put on payroll.
This is illegal, and there are lawsuits already filed. But they're counting on people not understanding the intricacies of the different kinds of federal service to enact their plan. Which to me is pretty transparently to force all agencies to submit to DOGE as a stand in for the White House and an end run around all laws about the civil service. Basically an unconstitutional power grab by the President.
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So, time to stop paying federal students loans and income taxes, eh?
Edit: student loans would be more difficult because loan default but the W4 can be adjusted so no income is deducted for Federal taxes. One would just have to be sure to put that money aside in a savings account ~~to pay next year with no current impact in this tax year~~. Looks like there would have to be some quarterly payments or one would otherwise incur penalties. So it'd be a bit tricky to pull off cleanly. Maybe someone better at tax code could figure out a way to just do this quarterly.
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Oh please start halting payments to government contractors. This guy starts holding payments to Lockheed Martin and Raytheon he's going to wind up real Dead real quick
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I wonder at what point people are going to use force to stop this coup, at this point everyone is just watching laws and systems being broken and dimantled with no regard.
Is the media in the US that controlled that their people just don't see what is happening?
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