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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Maybe this is where all the 51st state talk is coming from. If Canada joins the USA then he'll suddenly be eligible to officially become president.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 week ago

How is this not higher up. It makes way too much sense.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Elon Musk was not born in Canada. He is South African. A lot else about him should make sense once you realize that.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Don't you have to be born in the US to become president there?

[–] Kichae 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. Just be a natural born citizen and to have been a resident for the past 14 years. Natural born citizens are those with birthright citizenship, and people who are the children of citizens have birthright citizenship, no matter where they are born.

Elon is a heridatary citizen of Canada, and so would be a natural born citizen of the US if we joined the union.

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[–] dankm 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seems the consensus now is a natural born citizen is one with birthright citizenship; so anyone born to a US citizen counts as well.

If the USA successfully annexes Canada Musk would qualify since he was born to a Canadian citizen who would now be a US citizen.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I moved my comment to below this one…

To be β€œnatural born”, you have to be born either inside the United States or to somebody that was a US citizen at the time.

If you have 11 children and become a US citizen, your children are not automatically citizens as well. They have to apply.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Isn't he already the president, well I mean at least pulling all the strings with no repercussions? Mind you the Donvict doesn't seem to have any repercussions yet.

[–] phoenixz 61 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That scammer fucker has Canadian citizenship?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Through his mother if I recall correctly

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[–] BCsven 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah his mom was Canadian, he moved here to go to a Canadian uni, and work on his aunts farm.

[–] jerkface 47 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I don't want a country where a mob can get a large enough petition to strip someone of citizenship on that basis.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The basis of them actively trying to annex the entire country? I think if there was ever a good reason to remove someone’s citizenship it is because they want to destroy the country AND they have the power to do so.

[–] jerkface 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Then you don't need a petition. And if a petition is the deciding factor, that's shitty as fuck.

[–] villasv 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Me neither but that's not what's happening. The petition is not the basis for the action. The basis for the petition is the basis for the action, and the petition is a tool to demonstrate public support for the action.

I won't be signing it, though. This will help no one and I'd rather spend our political capital on things that do.

[–] Sunshine 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There was a situation in Switzerland where the people in the canteen didn’t like this woman so they refused to approve her citizenship.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Approving is not the same as removing.

[–] CaractacusPotts 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I remember that. I heard her on a podcast, can't remember the details though.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

The details are that the Swiss put bells around cows necks that stress them the fuck out. She campaigned against those, while living there for years. So the locals denied her citizenship to punish her for going against the tradition of animal abuse.

[–] LostWon 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I would rather he be prosecuted for treason, though I acknowledge that would require us to already be at war with the US (so he could be shown to be aiding the enemy). Too many innocent people (especially activists) could be affected by the precedent this would set-- especially the next time a Conservative government comes to power, though I could even see the Liberal Party mirroring Europe's recent police harassment of Palestinian-friendly journalists if not Trump's deportations of activists for Palestinians' human rights that Poilièvre would likely copy. Despite seeing myself as Canadian all of my life and being here for decades, I already feel less safe in this country, considering rising fascist sentiments like these out there. I'm not eligible for citizenship in the country of my birth either. I know the backlash from just stripping him of his citizenship outright would be directed to people like me.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (4 children)

This is pretty much the issue: laws have to apply to people I dislike as much as they apply to people I like. That's precisely why we have a constitution, etc.

As much as I dislike Elon and co, he deserves due process as much as everyone else.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It isn’t just on the basis of we don’t like him. It is because he has actively meddled with the integrity of our democracy AND he has power to do further damage. Lots of Canadians do anti-Canadian shit but very few of them have the power to do the damage that Musk can do.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

He gets due process. A hearing is held and it's legally determined if his citizenship should be revoked.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

TIL he has one. Yep, I'm signing. And maybe putting up QR codes so other people can too.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why did he have it in the first place?

[–] SirDankbud 39 points 1 week ago (1 children)

His family has a lot of Canadian ties. His mother is Canadian and his grandfather moved to South Africa from Canada because we weren't apartheid enough.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago
[–] Eiri 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Eh, I hate nazis as much as the next gal, but I'm really not sure it would be lawful to revoke someone's citizenship for political reasons.

[–] GreatBlueHeron 19 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That was my first reaction too. Did you read the text of the petition? What he's doing isn't just politics, he's actively working to erase Canada. There must be some level of anti-Canada behaviour (really bad phrasing, but I can't think of anything better and you know what I mean) that warrants revocation of citizenship?

  • Elon Musk has engaged in activities that go against the national interest of Canada;
  • He has used his wealth and power to influence our elections;
  • He has now become a member of a foreign government that is attempting to erase Canadian sovereignty; and
  • The attempts of Elon Musk to attack Canadian sovereignty must be addressed.
[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's a fundamental reason why I very much dislike these kinds of things. When you've set the precedent that citizenships can be removed it legitimizes that same action when it is applied in the other direction.

What is considered "treason" is very much subjective - the state simply should not have the power to remove citizenship.

[–] GreatBlueHeron 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When you say "applied in the other direction" - I read that as granting, rather than revoking, citizenship. Which doesn't really make sense? I assume you mean an evil government revoking citizenship of good people, rather than this proposal for a good government to revoke the citizenship of an evil person.

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[–] Eiri 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Perhaps. But the first and second points are allegations that would probably need to be proven in court. I'm not a jurist, but I've got a feeling it wouldn't be so simple.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

I am not sure you need a jury to confirm the public information that he gave half a billion dollars directly to trump

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

From what I can tell, he would have to have acquired the citizenship fraudulently, and he didn't.

There used to be a mechanism for the citizenship of people convicted of treason, spying, and terrorism offences to be revoked, but it was repealed in 2018.

I would like to think the rule of law still applies here.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I gotta say I don't know if it's the same when you're ultra wealthy, but for commoners it's required to pledge allegiance to the king/queen to gain citizenship as well.

[–] GreatBlueHeron 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Oh shit. I'm not a citizen yet, only a PR. Was planning to apply as soon has I reach 3 years. I'll struggle with that. I'm Australian, so I was born with an allegiance to the British monarch, but to actually say it - urgh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I know British guy who recently became a citizen, and he said it was pretty weird.

[–] Knoxvomica 11 points 1 week ago

Don't tolerate the intolerant. It's time to take the kid gloves off and be nasty to these people.

[–] Phil_in_here 10 points 1 week ago

Thank you for this sobering point. It's easy to let your hate of someone open the gates to fascism. I mean, that's basically what this whole thing (gestures vaguely south) is about.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Sadly I'm not a Canadian, but I hope that this goes through. Would be hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

how likely is this to work and how many people need to sign?

[–] ImplyingImplications 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)

0%. Governments don't do things because people signed a petition. In this case, I'm not even sure it's legally possible. Musk has a Canadian mother. He's Canadian by birthright.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Doesn't Canada have a specific amount of signatures that makes it so it's at least to be discussed within Parliament?

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[–] ArcticFox 2 points 1 week ago

If the UK can have a refurendum for brexit why can't Canada have one to kick out Elon?

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[–] Dearche 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'll sign.

Though I do think that something like a petition having the power to actually revoke a person's citizenship is draconian, and should never actually happen in Canada, I do support the sentiment.

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe 6 points 1 week ago

Though I do think that something like a petition having the power to actually revoke a person’s citizenship is draconian, and should never actually happen in Canada, I do support the sentiment.

You can rest easy, there's no mechanism for a petition to do anything except draw attention from those who can.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Find his family's artifacts and records. Ban him from the country, then tell him that you've found his family's artifacts and records and refuse to give them to him.

Hit him right in the historical connections!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

I think he should be deported from the US

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