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Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni has called for an "immediate" summit between the US, EU, and Western allies to discuss Ukraine following a heated White House meeting between Trump and President Zelenskyy.

The February 28 meeting ended without agreement on a minerals deal after escalating into a confrontation over US aid and peace deal conditions.

Meloni warned that Western division "makes us all weaker" as European leaders reaffirmed support for Ukraine.

EU foreign policy chief Kaja Kallas commented that "the free world needs a new leader," while European allies worry about being excluded from US-Russia negotiations to end the war.

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[–] stardust 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)

America is pro Russian anti Europe. This charade of pretending like the US isn't is a waste of time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago

Just saying...it's fucking Trump and his genocidal narcissistic billionaire Nazis that are sucking Russian cock...There are millions of us agast and horrified at this goddamn heel turn to Russian scum...and fuck me lots of us in the US are dumber than dog shit with no ability for critical thought.

Slava Ukraine!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trump and Elon are. I doubt the same is true for most actual Americans.

[–] stardust 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sentiments of "most" Americans matters as much as "most" Russians. Useless equivalent of thoughts and prayers when it doesn't stop the people in charge.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Sad but true 🙁

[–] [email protected] 3 points 21 hours ago

Maybe not, but the majority of voters apparently support Trump - so effectively that means USA as a country supports Trump. (And thus the USA as a country is no longer reliable or trustworthy.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Grossly misinformed and deliberately un(der)educated voters.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hard pass. He would just use the opportunity to rant at our diplomats like he did with Zelenskyy. We wouldn't want to sign any deals with a criminally insane dictator anyway.

The bond is broken, the ship has sailed. Time for us to pursue a Europe First strategy. Post haste, preferably.

And it's not just investments into military hardware we need to make but also pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, etc. We need to become independent as soon as possible.

The groundwork is there. We can do it if we really want. MEGA will beat MAGA, and screw Trump and his puppet master.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

MEGA is a great idea, just don't let maggots...I mean magat style insanity infiltrate. I'm so ashamed of my country

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

As an American, I endorse this message.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I hope so. A good step would be for the UK to rejoin the EU but that seems unlikely to happen in the next decade. But we need to build solidarity and resilience, and like you say, increase our independence as much as feasible

[–] Revan343 71 points 1 day ago

Meloni warned that Western division "makes us all weaker"

No shit, that is literally the reason Trump is being divisive

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

Don't know what business a russian puppet state has being in NATO. The sooner the US is kicked out of NATO the better.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am Italian and I beg the EU to ostracize Meloni and Orban as much as possible, especially in this crucial moment. As fascists and Putin puppets just like Trump, their simple plan is stall things long enough for Ukraine to be in an even worse situation.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I am not Italian, rather swedish, but what I have seen from Meloni in reality is that she has taken a very firm stance against Putin and his war on Ukraine and has given huge amounts of military equipment (scroll down to Italy to see what military equipment they have given) and and money to Ukraine. Meloni has never stood in the way of political decisions to support Ukraine or sanctions against Russia to my knowledge, rather has been at the forefront of implementing them and has continuously condemned Putin and Russia's agression. Exactly in what way is Meloni a puppet of Putin?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

We give a lot because we produce a lot. Italy's arms export grew 86% between 2019 and 2024.

And while we are too weak to be openly against our major trade partner, Germany, she is also balancing her act with our second trade partner, the USA and trying to explain her electorate that she is still the one they voted for who called Orbán an exemplary leader, all while Salvini, another prominent member of her government, screamed for a Peace Prize to Trump as soon as he appeared to give in to Putin.

Right now Starmer and Meloni are what is dragging everyone else's feet on a United EU Defense plan and an EU-led diplomatic move towards Russia.

In the 100 years old tradition of fascist parties in Italy, she is also subject to the whims of much more powerful actors internally and externally.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I would start from removing dollar reserves from european banks. The value of money is only when people believe it have value. So if US money won't have any value Europe won't need US help.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I approve. As an American, I have been trying to swap my savings for Euros, because it feels like that the American Dollar will hyperinflate. However, I have a concern:

Musk is likely to try to install a Muskcoin and create a X Everything app, so that he can control the money of Americans. The EU will need to offer Euro banking services in the Blue States to oppose the establishment of Muskcoin. Also, blacklist American billionaires from European fiscal institutions, such as not accepting the swap of Musk's dollars for Euros or EU properties.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've never expected that the Cyberpunk eurodollar is about to be defictionalized.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Gonna get me some Eddies

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

DOGE will fuck with the FDIC, force banks out of business. Musk tweets "Don't worry, X has secured a contract from this great administration and have started XBank! All accounts and money from all US-based banks, credit unions, and other financial institutions will be migrated to XBank. Download the app immediately. X account is required to access the XBank app. This will be the only way to access your money so get your account today!"

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[–] [email protected] 150 points 2 days ago (21 children)

I understand that Meloni is struggling with cognitive dissonance here because she loves Trump and the American far right but also recognizes Russia as the obvious enemy to Europe that they are (and thereby making Ukraine our natural ally).

But the time for courting is over. America has become a hostile nation and they might actually be our enemy soon.

Increase European integration and federalization. Increase defense spending and fund a European MIC. Organize into a joint European army. This and only this can be our way forward or we will be crushed between two fascist superpowers.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Italian here:

Meloni and her government do not perceive Putin as an enemy AT ALL. One of the most prominent members of her government even said Putin should receive a Nobel Peace prize.

Meloni and Orban are just fascists, in the case of Meloni even belonging to the excised appendix of a literal Fascist party.

Please take them at face value!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Thank you, I’m aware they’re fascists but it seems I was a bit misinformed about their stance on Ukraine and Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How fucked is the world, when Meloni is the reasonable one...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (13 children)

I'm Italian and I would have never thought that Meloni would be the reasonable one in this shit. Oh well.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Too late Meloni. The EU needs to decide without the AmeriKans.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

AmeriKlans XD

[–] [email protected] 171 points 2 days ago (29 children)

Europe really needs to beef up its defense industries and whatnot. America's unreliability is becoming an existential threat and it's clear that Trump and Co will be extremely opportunistic and quick to align with Russia.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago

Meloni probably wants to congratulate Trump.

[–] [email protected] 91 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Italy needs to understand that thinking you can reason with Trump makes Europe weaker.

In fact, this works with all countries. He’s a literal baby. He doesn’t understand or want to hear your reasoning because he knows he’s right. As soon as everybody understands that, the quicker they can get to the task of isolating the US as much as possible.

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